White Belt's Semi-Retirement

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I’ve decided to start a new journal to document what I am calling my semi-retirement. You can reference my old journal here: viewtopic.php?t=7537

The long story short is that I am only working on a part time basis these days (DW is working full time by choice). I will go more in depth in a later post about financials, but due to some unforeseen circumstances I consider myself [mostly] financially independent. I need to do some more thinking on how to track my financial accounting going forward as I don’t believe it is as straightforward as it was during my accumulation phase.

Housing
For the last few months, DW and I have been living in a small 500 sqft city apartment. Although initially I was stoked for the network effects and walkability of city living, I’ve found them to be quite lackluster in my current situation. I also find living in a concrete jungle apartment to be a bit stifling in a way that was not the case when I last did it a decade ago. Over the last few years, I’ve grown fonder of peace/quiet and nature. Additionally, I now crave control over my living situation more than access and optionality.

The good news is that we are in the process of changing our living situation to a sticks and bricks single family home. I will go more in depth on the house specifics in a later post since we are still a few weeks away from the official closing, however it has rekindled my motivation to work on various Mickey Mouse projects related to sustainability that I would often ramble on about here in my younger years. And since my mind is on them, I might as well put some of them down here.


Project 1 – The Compressed Air Gym
First, I’d like to quote a post from my old journal that discusses my thoughts on a home gym:
white belt wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:16 pm
The issue for me up to this point is that providing appropriate lower body stimulus at home is quite difficult. Of course there are exercises like lunges, pistol squats, and so on, however they are difficult to add enough resistance to for someone like me who already has a very strong lower body. Upper body exercises at home are much easier. Overuse injuries can occur using only bodyweight exercises because there isn't as much exercise variety. I don't have the space to go all out with a home squat rack, platform, weights, and so on.

I think I could make the same strength and hypertrophy gains at home with the following equipment:

1. flywheel platform (DIY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om5VSJdQ0Gc)
2. adjustable dumbbell set up to 100 lbs
3. flywheel that can adjust on wall/vertical post so that I can do horizontal pulling motions
4. ceiling hook or pull up bar that I can attach flywheel pulley to in order to allow pull down motions
5. adjustable bench
6. universal machine converted to run on flywheels (nice to have but takes up a lot of space; would give me a wider variety of possible exercises)

1-5 would be the essentials, while 6 is a nice to have if I can have a dedicated gym space. I think they other equipment is small and portable enough to allow me to store it off to the side or move outside depending on the situation.
I like working out and for the first time should have the opportunity to have a home gym. I am less interested in this from a financial perspective because I’ve found the ~$30-$100 cost of a gym membership to be worthwhile for me in most living situations. I am more interested because it gives me the opportunity to tinker with some systems and integrate ideas that have been rattling around in my head for years.

One idea is the compressed air gym; a gym that converts the mechanical energy generated from strength movements and stores it as compressed air. This concept is not new or novel so I’d like to discuss a few links.

First off, we have the prototype of the Human Power Plant (https://www.humanpowerplant.be/human_po ... plant.html). The aim of this project was to make working out fun and sensory stimulating to a group of people; however they do have some ideas that can be used for inspiration. I am most interested in the machines they created that compress air as I believe incorporating the water batteries and pumps makes the system needlessly complex for my purposes. The hack squat design shows the most promise, however one critical weakness is that the resistance level is not adjustable. Another weakness is that it is a very large footprint for a machine that can only be used for one exercise, so not feasible for my home gym.

The second resource I’ll point to is this mechanic who converted a bicycle to produce compressed air for his workshop. I think this is a decent plug and play design that could be tweaked and incorporated to add a cardio machine to the home gym setup. I am not that mechanically inclined so I found his diagrams and step by step explanation helpful: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2023/ ... ge-system/

So all things considered, where am I going with this? I believe a prototype designed similarly to the flywheel platform to be the best starting point for a number of reasons. Capitalist version here to give you a visual of what I'm talking about: https://exxentric.com/store/kbox/

First off, the footprint is very small for a garage/basement gym setup, in fact it’s even smaller than half of a power rack. Second, the exercises that will generate the most force (which my understanding is ideal for air compression purposes) are going to be lower body dominant compound exercises like the squat and deadlift. Finally, it is quite expensive and space consuming to train lower body at home because usually it requires hundreds of pounds of equipment and a floor that can handle those loads. It’s easy to imagine how this design could be expanded upon later to accommodate various movements in the vertical and horizontal plane.

I considered just using a (exercise) flywheel design as it is used on the Kbox and similar builds, however this would be suboptimal for energy capture purposes because all of the resistance is created in opposition to the direction the flywheel is spinning at first. Perhaps a better solution would be to directly connect the axel to an air pump, however I would need to figure out a way to relatively easily adjust the PSI to provide different levels of resistance for each lift (multiple air tanks is one method but I’m not sure if turning knobs and trying to get PSI to a certain level would be too fiddly in between sets). I also would need an intermediate part (maybe end up using flywheel anyway?) because the axel would spin one direction on descent and another direction on ascent. It’s also possible that a piston design makes more sense for this application. Another way to think of this is that basically I’m making a belt squat machine but instead of using weight plates as resistance I’m making a big air pump.*

*= I’m also not sure if this design makes any sense from a physics/mechanics perspective. I think it does but I have limited experience with this kind of stuff.


Project 2 – Basement Recirculating Aquaculture System (RAS)
Aquaponics seems to get some hype in permaculture systems, although I’ve never been that impressed with the yields as it seems to be a suboptimal way to grow fish and produce. At household scale, it is relatively simple (not easy) to grow produce outside. However, I’ve found it to be relatively hard to grow protein sources at household level. The most common method is to keep chickens for eggs, but this is not legal in every jurisdiction and feed conversion ratios can vary widely based on situation. In my jurisdiction it is still not legal to have chickens, however there is a proposal that might change that soon.

So that brings me to aquaculture. I think one thing that aquaponics does well is the use of small scale RAS. You can google what all that means, but basically it’s a closed system where you circulate the water between a fish tank and various filters. These are often built indoors to better control environmental variables and I believe my unfinished basement to be a suitable place to build a small scale system. Notably, I am not losing any food production space by using my basement. By virtue of being mostly underground, the basement is climate controlled year around. The lower basement temperatures are not suitable for the most popular aquaponics fish (Tilapia), however it also does not require any energy to heat or cool the water.

Speaking of fish, my first idea is to grow Minnows**. These are typically baitfish in the USA but were historically consumed by some indigenous tribes. I have not eaten them before but cursory internet research compares them to other small fish currently that are consumed whole around the world. It is well understood that eating lower on the food chain is more efficient from an energy conversion standpoint, and minnows who typically consume insect larvae, algae, and duckweed among other things are towards the bottom of aquatic species fit for human consumption. The fact that they are small enough to be consumed whole also makes energy conversion more efficient. It's also possible down the line I could grow duckweed in outdoor containers to feed the minnows.

The system would need a fish tank, biofilter, solids filter, and pump. I plan on starting with a small prototype system with a fish tank of 25-40 gallons. I’d like to play around with a pneumatic ejector pump which seems like it might be more efficient than a traditional water pump while also allowing me to run the entire system on compressed air down the line. Weekly cleaning of the solids filter would allow me to manually transfer the fish waste via bucket to parts of the garden outside that require fertilization (note that from what I’ve seen, this step is still required even in aquaponics systems with growbeds). I’m unsure what my unfinished basement temperature will drop to in the winter, but Fathead Minnows will continue to spawn down to water temperatures that are 60F. The bigger concern is that the biofilter performance may degrade below 65F.


** = https://extension.rwfm.tamu.edu/wp-cont ... -Tanks.pdf

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It's great to see your new journal and I'm looking forward to your tinkering. I am reorganizing my garage workshop and intend to increase compressed air storage/tools. I have also been inspired by that low tech magazine article. I've never been too excited about stationary biking, though, so I'm interested to see what you come up with!

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I’m ready to write a bit more about my situation.

I consider myself semi-retired since I am still working part time in the military. This has eased the transition to civilian life but I do wonder if I’m just delaying the “breakup” with my career and using the careerist value system as a crutch*. For now, the workload that has averaged out to maybe ~1 week a month provides me with some structure as well as familiarity during a period of drastic life change. The nice thing is that it is mostly “choose your own adventure” so I take advantages of opportunities that interest me and then stay away from the stuff that seems like drudgery.

I would like to do some volunteer work to add a little more structure and impact to my free time, but I haven’t figured out an arrangement yet. Some kind of environmental volunteer work probably fits best into my web of goals, but I suspect the most rewarding/impactful work might be something like mentoring underprivileged youth in some form. There is no shortage of need only one train stop away from my new house. I’ve never done anything like that before so I’m uncertain if I’d be a good fit for it.

I’ve had so many life changes over the past year that I haven’t yet been able to get on track with a new routine, schedule, goals, etc. I think my brain still needs time to process everything. My motivation to “do” seems much more limited and short-lived. I hope to return to an earlier version of myself in some ways, but I’m starting to accept that won’t be possible without help. One of these days I will start therapy.

I find myself pursuing a lot of activities as an escape. This behavior started about 2.5 years ago during my last job on active duty that caused some physiological and psychological problems. I’m uncertain how one distinguishes between being immersed in the flow state of a task as a positive/healthy behavior vs using this immersion as a dissociative behavior to avoid engaging with one’s problems. I find myself frequently walking the nature trails and streets around my childhood homes which seems to have a calming effect; probably some nostalgia I have for a familiar and safe life. There are positives of this activity of course like being outside, getting exercise, reducing stress, and engaging with nature. However, I also know that I’m not really resolving anything by doing this.

* = I still find myself pursuing opportunities for badges and awards that lead to more flair on my uniform. In the world outside of the military, none of this stuff matters. I do feel like I’m making up for some lost time and pursuing a career bucket list before I entirely retire, but on the other hand if I stepped away today, the only people to ever see or care about it will likely just be me and a handful of other veterans when I look at my shadowbox hanging on the wall. I supposed that one day all of us will have our life’s work distilled down to a metaphorical shadowbox (eulogy/gravestone?).

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I have no perspective on military experience. I'm very interested in where your retirement heads though. You strike me as an outlier, both in terms of capability and follow through. I want to see what emerges.

I benefit greatly from proper mental health supports. One point that helped me start - there's often a several month delay scheduling the chosen professional. With no guarantee that person will be a good fit. If there's 1-2 hand offs, it could be 6-9 months lead time.

So if it's something you want later, now's the time to call.

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Good to hear from you white belt, I hope things improve for you.
white belt wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:03 pm
I find myself frequently walking the nature trails and streets around my childhood homes which seems to have a calming effect; probably some nostalgia I have for a familiar and safe life.
I have also been doing this.

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white belt wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:03 pm
I’m uncertain how one distinguishes between being immersed in the flow state of a task as a positive/healthy behavior vs using this immersion as a dissociative behavior to avoid engaging with one’s problems.
As per DBT, by asking, "does it actually work to solve the problem or does it make things worse for me in the long run." With something like "dealing with the problem by eating three daily muffins about it," it's clear that 1. It doesn't solve the problem, and 2. It does screw you over in the long run even though in the present it might provide cushioning from unpleasantness, a feel-good state, and a distraction. With something like taking long nostalgic walks, I'd argue they fail 2 -- they don't screw you over in the long run. It might not be solving the problem*, but it is also not a coping strategy which actively harms you.

I starred not solving the problem because on a level, you don't know: how much worse would your mental and physical health be if you didn't take these walks?

If you're enjoying the walks and they aren't screwing you over, I'd suggest digging deeper into what you've already started: asking yourself, what are they giving me? You've already answered, a nostalgic connection to better times. Well, maybe those better times are worth being consciously thought about on a walk, or journaled about, or whatever your preferred introspection method. What did you enjoy about those nostalgic times? What did you have that you no longer have but you wish you had? If it's not possible to have it anymore (e.g. consider the case of someone who used to love skateboarding, got injured, and can't physically practice the sport any longer) -- if it's not possible to have it any more, what did you love about it, and how could you capture that through another activity? E.g. if it was physical mastery, what else could you pick up? If it was about being cool and edgy with a group of pals, through what other means and activities could you get cool and edgy with a group of pals? Etc.

Final thought: maybe you'll decide the walks are, in and of themselves, fine, it's the amount of time you're devoting to them (similar to what an overexerciser is likely to encounter). So, the question you're asking, how does one know whether this is productive coping or whether it's escapism, might not even have a binary answer. It may be it's part productive coping, and also it is a bit escapist. In which case you might ask yourself how to keep the good parts and ditch the bad. Could you, for example, set yourself a "walk topic" to mull over while walking which somehow relates to actual problem resolution? Could you dictate thoughts into your phone, or jot down ideas for processing later, after the walk? Etc.

Good luck

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Scott 2 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:46 pm
I have no perspective on military experience. I'm very interested in where your retirement heads though. You strike me as an outlier, both in terms of capability and follow through. I want to see what emerges.
I'm starting to get my confidence/mojo back, but I'd say I'm still not back to feeling like a possess exceptional capability or follow through yet. I know the lag time on therapy is long and I had a referral in through my PCM so I just need to return that call. Another option DW recommended is to use online provider like Better Health, even if it requires paying out of pocket since they offer faster response time and greater flexibility.

I think some people feel better when they talk about their problems, but I did not when I started really trying to get my issues addressed towards the end of my military time. I'm someone that views himself as healthy and capable, but confronting these issues rattled my identity. It has taken me a while to come to terms with the fact that some of these issues might be with me for the rest of my life. The flipside is by finally vocalizing these things, I was able to receive the medical care I needed to improve my quality of life. I lived my entire life with almost no medical issues and I think I naively believed that by making the right lifestyle choices, I could avoid all medical problems.

I succeeded in my career, in part, because I was good at compartmentalizing, which I think was a nurture/nature characteristic I possessed even before my first day in the military. Compartmentalization is great tool when you are dealing with life/death situations that require 100% focus. I quickly learned that if there was a circumstance I couldn't change, it's best not to dwell on it. Now that I have much more control over my life and circumstances, I found it's not so good for maintaining relationships and a healthy lifestyle in the modern world.

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ertyu wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:33 am
If you're enjoying the walks and they aren't screwing you over, I'd suggest digging deeper into what you've already started: asking yourself, what are they giving me? You've already answered, a nostalgic connection to better times. Well, maybe those better times are worth being consciously thought about on a walk, or journaled about, or whatever your preferred introspection method. What did you enjoy about those nostalgic times? What did you have that you no longer have but you wish you had? If it's not possible to have it anymore (e.g. consider the case of someone who used to love skateboarding, got injured, and can't physically practice the sport any longer) -- if it's not possible to have it any more, what did you love about it, and how could you capture that through another activity? E.g. if it was physical mastery, what else could you pick up? If it was about being cool and edgy with a group of pals, through what other means and activities could you get cool and edgy with a group of pals? Etc.
Thank you, this is very helpful. I will have to ponder this.

One issue is I have yet to find a replacement for the amount of engagement/purpose/fulfillment I get from the military (using present tense because I still serve part-time in the reserves). I think me picking up MTG again during the darker days of my last assignment was a way of me seeking out this engagement which I wasn't receiving from my job at the time. I basically went back to the world of my younger self, a time before I was chasing women, before college, before the Army; when I just was playing games with friends in a flow state.

I am not and have never been an adrenaline junkie. However, I think I underestimated how much fulfillment I got from the holistic physical and psychological aspects of the military. It was a profession of course, much more than a job, but also a profession that I and others dedicated our lives to. Most jobs seem to just lack the gravitas in comparison; it's hard to take corporate work seriously when you're used to such high stakes. No one is going to die if the TPS report is late. There is of course something very tribal about the entire military experience and it feels like money or other capitalist reward structures have such a weak pull compared to that. I'm not reckless enough to justify taking on another dangerous or physical job just to chase that feeling, although I recognize many veterans do that very thing (bounty hunter, private security, police officer, firefighter, etc).

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Not only is it hard to take corporate jobs as seriously, it's misguided to, imo. But cool. "Work together towards stakes that matter but it's not physically dangerous" is a good start.

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white belt wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:19 pm
I think some people feel better when they talk about their problems, but I did not when I started really trying to get my issues addressed
Therapeutic fit is essential. The person needs to be a peer. The profession draws those who benefit from it. They're often not well, or may simply not be of your caliber. For someone who's so depressed they can't eat, any therapist might be enough. For you, not so much

I'd expect your peers to be beyond a platform like better health. Where do those thriving in the profession go? Likely independent private practice, or rising stars who are still students. My success has been with externs destined for bigger things.


Then the type of therapy needs to be a good fit.

CBT - let's talk about problems and mentally reframe you, is trash for me.

ACT - Life just be this way, let's move forward, is more aligned with my default. It accumulates mental cruft though.

DBT - How is your experience falling you, what tools might help, is my golden ticket. The stimulus response loop is highly effective.


Success using the DBT tools can lever our neuroplasticity, physiologically rewiring problems CBT tries to cognitively unearth. Until all the low hanging fruit is harvested, I haven't seen much point in decomposing feelings.


I'm diagnosed bad at feeling my feelings, so YMMV.

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Perhaps a good parttime job is where you serve others in some capacity.
By the way, volunteering with disadvantaged youth might be very worthwhile - I would give it an honest try and see whether you like it and whether you feel like you can actually add something worthwhile to their lives.

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DutchGirl wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:34 pm
Perhaps a good parttime job is where you serve others in some capacity.
Maybe... but "serving others" is definitely not a one-size-fits-all in terms of satisfaction. It hits all the flow states of a certain type of person and cultural value set. For others, helping the needy can hardly be more unsatisfying. Most are somewhere in between.

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ertyu wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:14 am
Not only is it hard to take corporate jobs as seriously, it's misguided to, imo. But cool. "Work together towards stakes that matter but it's not physically dangerous" is a good start.
To clarify on the not physically dangerous part, it's more along the lines of I don't see the value in pursuing physical danger as an end in itself. If my life was a movie and there was some critical task that needs to be done to save the world at great risk to myself, I would probably do it. However, I'm not going to do something just to line the pockets of some corporation because they don't want to spend the money to do things in a safer way. Of course this isn't logically consistent with me still serving in the military because I could in theory be ordered to fight some war meant to enrich an elite class with no skin in the game.

Scott 2 wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:52 am
Therapeutic fit is essential. The person needs to be a peer. The profession draws those who benefit from it. They're often not well, or may simply not be of your caliber. For someone who's so depressed they can't eat, any therapist might be enough. For you, not so much

I'd expect your peers to be beyond a platform like better health. Where do those thriving in the profession go? Likely independent private practice, or rising stars who are still students. My success has been with externs destined for bigger things.
I've never been to therapy so my only interaction with such professionals has been through extensive psychological evaluations. It's really a whole new world for me but I understand what you are saying about fit. It took me 2-3 attempts just to find a primary care doctor that understood my issues and the one I finally clicked with happened to be married to someone who had served previously in the same elite unit as me.

DutchGirl wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:34 pm
Perhaps a good parttime job is where you serve others in some capacity.
jacob wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:45 pm
Maybe... but "serving others" is definitely not a one-size-fits-all in terms of satisfaction.
Service is an interesting one. What drew me to the Army was not the idea of service, but rather that I felt like the Army provided me with a challenging and rewarding environment. Ideas like honor, service, patriotism, etc came along later after I had already dedicated significant amount of time and energy. Nowadays, I do like mentoring others in professional settings, but I tend to mostly be interested in mentoring those who show the aptitude and motivation to learn. There's also a pragmatic benefit along the lines of "I make you better at abc, so later you can better contribute to our shared mission to do xyz." One could possibly extrapolate that to a societal level, but I'm unsure if there would be too many layers in between for me to feel like I'm having any impact.

I don't think anyone in my life would describe me as a helper. Although I used to joke [dark humor alert] that my job was to help people kill people. What I am is a leader and a team player; always the latter but depending on the situation I will tone down the former if there is someone else competent that can better lead. So I will help others to do whatever is needed to accomplish the mission/objective that I believe in. Maybe one approach is to see if I can transfer the tribal feelings of the military towards another group that includes some cause I believe in? This is not so easy because I tend to be more pragmatic than idealistic and frankly many charitable organizations strike me as incompetent, money laundering schemes, and/or trying to fix a issue without taking a systems based or holistic approach. Disclaimer: it's been a long time since I've done any volunteer work so I could be way off on this one.

ETA: I think one reason that veterans have issues re-integrating back into civilian life is that the military is a very eusocial environment and modern society in the USA is highly individualistic. Almost everyone is just looking out for themselves across society and it's very apparent. I'm sure the replacement of religion with consumerism might also play a role, but it doesn't change a fundamental challenge that has always faced human societies.

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@Whitebelt, there is a book you might find interesting. "Tribe: On Homecoming and Belonging", by Sebastian Junger. I haven't read the book but I have watched his presentation on YouTube. According to him you are far from the first servicemember to miss the community after leaving for civilian life. He might have some ideas for you.

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@blink2ce

I'm familiar with Junger's work but haven't read Tribe. I actually served with one of the guys featured in Restrepo. I agree it might be worthwhile for me to further explore his work given my circumstances.

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white belt wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:31 pm
I tend to mostly be interested in mentoring those who show the aptitude and motivation to learn. There's also a pragmatic benefit along the lines of "I make you better at abc, so later you can better contribute to our shared mission to do xyz." One could possibly extrapolate that to a societal level, but I'm unsure if there would be too many layers in between for me to feel like I'm having any impact.

[...]

What I am is a leader and a team player; always the latter but depending on the situation I will tone down the former if there is someone else competent that can better lead. So I will help others to do whatever is needed to accomplish the mission/objective that I believe in. Maybe one approach is to see if I can transfer the tribal feelings of the military towards another group that includes some cause I believe in?
What about coaching at-risk youth if you're familiar enough with a sport?

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I know I must be experiencing some sort of 3/8’s life crisis (somewhere between quarter and mid) when I’m daydreaming about getting a red convertible. I don’t think the numbers or the practicality make sense.

The new house does have a garage, although it’s set towards the back of the property so the driveway doesn’t connect all the way to it. It wouldn’t be feasible to park a car in there daily, but could be feasible to store a car for the ~3 months of winter in which snow and road salt are a concern. So that means we’re talking about 9 months of usability.

For winter, I’d either have to keep my current beater or go without, which means we’d be down to only DW’s car that she commutes daily with. In my current lifestyle, that’s maybe not the biggest deal as I’ve found that in the winter months I take part in much fewer outdoor activities, which is usually what I use my car for (specifically going to places that aren’t serviced well by public transport). DW’s job is also only a 10 minute commute away, so in a pinch I could just drop her off at work if I needed the car for some purpose that day. Most errands at the new place shouldn’t require a car.

My beater is still reliable and relatively mechanically sound. It’s also fully depreciated so I suspect that my cost per mile is about as low as I’d be able to get for any car. In other words, it might be foolish to get rid of the car while it still runs, even if it means paying for insurance, registration, and maintenance on a car that I’d likely rarely use outside of winter months (since beater only requires liability insurance, costs are just ~$50 annual registration and maintenance, so I’d probably just keep it). I suppose we live in a society where anything can be justified, but it already feels a little excessive having 2 cars for 2 people when I live in an area with decent public transit, so 3 cars for 2 people seems about as anti-ERE as it gets. `

At the end of the day, a sports car is a toy. Even with frugal optimization (~5 year old Mazda Miata with good gas mileage that I mostly DIY maintenance), we’re still talking ~$20k to purchase and I conservatively ballpark ~$3k a year in terms of ongoing expenses and depreciation. I have the cash of course, but with money market funds still sitting around 5% interest, it means my $20k could generate $1k a year just sitting there entirely risk free. Although used cars might make for decent inflation hedges, I think if gas prices were to increase significantly then sports car prices could fall. The Miata also isn’t really a rich guy sports car, it’s more of an enthusiast and working man’s sports car.

To frame in terms used elsewhere on the forums, I’d say up to this point DW and I have been in the “Cheapskates” crowd. Getting a Miata as a 3rd car would be moving towards the “High Status” and “Selective Status for Nerds” crowd. You can read about those here: viewtopic.php?p=281709#p281709

I’ve only ever owned one car which is the aforementioned beater manual hatchback, although when I was in the market for a car almost a decade ago, I did briefly consider getting a used Porsche. I decided to just make the frugal choice and have no regrets up to this point. My draw to the Miata is that it just seems like it would be fun to drive, not so much for status or car nerd clout.

I was planning on renting a Miata from Turo during an upcoming trip, but it seems our travel plans might change so I’m not sure if I’ll still be able to.

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My dad's owned a Miata for the last 20 years. He enjoys it. He bought it used, takes care of it and could sell it for more than he paid. The financial balance might be better than you are estimating. It scratched the itch enough that he never upgraded.

Riding around with the top up is a little cramped. The fun tires are useless on snow. He's spun out once or twice with what I think is a near stock build. He looked at a turbocharger, but after trying one, thought it'd lead to excessively risky driving.

It's definitely a toy. There's zero hauling capacity. Probably not getting a bike in there. I'm confident he'd do it again though.

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You could buy a classic car which might appreciate in value.

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Scott 2 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:07 pm
My dad's owned a Miata for the last 20 years. He enjoys it. He bought it used, takes care of it and could sell it for more than he paid. The financial balance might be better than you are estimating. It scratched the itch enough that he never upgraded.

Riding around with the top up is a little cramped. The fun tires are useless on snow. He's spun out once or twice with what I think is a near stock build. He looked at a turbocharger, but after trying one, thought it'd lead to excessively risky driving.

It's definitely a toy. There's zero hauling capacity. Probably not getting a bike in there. I'm confident he'd do it again though.
Yeah this seems to be a common perspective. The popular running joke whenever anyone asks about a fun car is that the answer is always "Miata". I think I'd just like to cruise on windy roads rather than try to tune it to be a track machine. In fact, I already drive on some windy roads when I'm meeting some friends for a hike, to play disc golf, or to go to the shooting range, so I imagine it would just enhance those sort of trips. I don't see myself seeking out mountain roads for the sake of it, but I supposed that's a possibility in the future if I enjoy it enough. I'm not so worried about snow but I am worried about rusting out the bottom from road salt, which is why I said I'd probably just garage it for the winter months.

I mentioned 2019 because it has just enough creature comforts and modern safety features for my taste. It was the first year with a backup camera, blindspot assist, and Apple Carplay. I agree that it's limited on cargo capacity, although Google shows some owners carrying up to 2 bikes on a hitch mounted rack:

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I don't mountain bike so I'm not sure if I'd ever need to do something like that. It seems like it has enough room for DW and I to go on a trip for up to a week, which is really all we need. We still have DW's larger hatchback if I ever need more cargo space. Anything larger than that and I just pay ~$30 to rent a truck from Home Depot or Uhaul for a few hours.

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