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C40 wrote: How important is it to be able to stand up inside the van? I'm not sure. It seems like it would be very nice.
Well, if it's anything like the common boat, it sure makes it easier to put your pants on. No seriously, that's probably the #1 issue. Don't laugh.
Everything else can be done seated. You're not going to be doing much walking in there.

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> How important is it to be able to stand up inside the van? I'm not sure.

Advice my dad gave me: "Never buy a tent you can't stand up in." I've followed his philosophy in that regard and, particularly as I've aged, it is an excellent luxury that costs very little. A van is just a tent with wheels.

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Thanks guys :-)

Well I think the "standing" question is pretty much answered for me already. I want to buy a van this year, but I don't want to spend $20k* so it will be a shorter van.

* I will keep my eye out for Sprinters, but they are generally expensive for what you're getting.

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akratic wrote:Tough love time...

...I apologize for the rant, but I've just watched so many people waste so much time at jobs they didn't like, in order to save themselves from the possibility of... get this... the *possibility* of spending time in the future at jobs they didn't like. :x
Don't apologize. These are very good points. And I love your certainty here. I don't disagree with any of your individual points.

It is true that I'm very used to working for just one company. My resume is severely outdated. I only interviewed with TWO companies when I was graduating university. I feel like I would stink at finding a new job. But - yes, I know that I could figure this stuff out pretty quickly, and getting a job shouldn't be any problem.

I also have no interest in learning about a new company, a new culture. No interest in meeting a whole bunch of different work people** and learning all their names and acting like I care about what they're saying. I think a year in my job would be WAY easier than the first year in a new company. So the thought of getting another full time carreer type job in the future does feel pretty ugly to me. Is it stupid or irrational to choose the guaranteed annoyance of work instead of only the POSSIBILITY of this ugliness? Maybe it is. I know. But I'm probably going to be happy (enough) waiting out this last year anyways.


(** I compartmentalize relationships a lot)



Here are some thoughts on why I don't want to quit any sooner than a year from now. There's one main point first and then a few more concrete things down below:

- Probably the main reason is just that I like control, and power, and abundance. I like the feeling that I am in a position of strength. Having some extra money will help me feel that way. I think an additional year of work may be worth it just for the purpose of helping me to have that feeling. I know that It's possible to get that same feeling from the knowledge that I could get another job and make more money quickly. But, for me, that would feel more like thinking "Oh, I could win if I did xyz", when I'd rather be thinking "I am winning right now". In the first year or two after I quit, I might wish that I had quit a year earlier. But 50 years from now, I'm certain I won't look back and think "Oh, if I had just quit one year sooner, .... "


Side bike racing story:

I have a couple examples along this line of thought from when I was bicycle racing. Bike racing was, aside form ERE prep, the most recent thing that I really worked hard on outside of work. I raced three years. The first year I was just getting into the sport and learning how it worked, and working my way up to racing well in the entry category. The second year I set a goal to get at least top 3 in the biggest race of the season. I improved my training, my diet, my sleep, my racing tactics, my mental toughness. I joined a team and helped the other guys in some races ahead of mine so they'd be willing to help me. When the race came, I dominated. Completely dominated. It felt great.

There were two specific races that really stand out with a feeling of dominance:
- One was in my second year of racing, still in the entry level category. It was one of my very last races in this category and I was so much better than the people in my race that I would've been in contention to win races a category above mine. At one of the most popular/famous races in the whole region, I attacked straight from the starting gun. No one ever wins when they do this. It's just a stupid and ballsy thing to do. I got a good lead and was on my own for like 15-20 minutes of the hour long race (riding as hard as I could). I got caught and rode with the pack the rest of the race. Generally, if you attack like this, you're basically blowing your wad and you won't be able to compete after that. Well I recovered and sprinted very well. (Got 2nd, but I let off for a stupid reason and could've actually won). Being able to race like this is WAY more fun than suffering along. I could decide how the race unfolded. I could decide which way I wanted to try to win and would have a good chance of it working out, whatever the method was.
- Another was a year later. I had moved up to a harder category and joined a big team. Most of the season I was working for my team mates who cared more about winning and were slightly better sprinters than me. There was a race series where I did horribly. My mental focus was way off and I couldn't ride worth a shit. I struggled through all the races. Then the next race I did ended up being the ONLY race all year that I had no team mates. So I could do whatever I wanted. At this race, I attacked on my own and rode ahead of the field for the last 10-15 minutes. I got a huge lead and as I got within 4, 3, 2, 1 laps to go, the win was more and more absolutely certain. The last 2 laps I was 100% sure I had it won. This is the best way to win a bike race - out ahead by yourself - because you get the rush of winning for a very long time. (In a sprint win you only get that rush for a few seconds).

I won other races, but these are two of the most memorable. I loved feeling the way I did during these races -- being in control, having power, being confident about winning, etc.. I want to feel that way more.






Others:
- A huge chunk of my money is in my 401k and Pension. More than half. I'm planning to do the IRA Escape plan thing or whatever folks call it. If I understand/remember it correctly, there's a 5 year delay in getting spendable money. I want to make sure I have plenty enough post-tax money so this doesn't become a problem
- I want to get the van all set up and sell the house before I quit. This will probably take at least six months
- I get my yearly bonus from work in March. My pension increase might also happen at once in February/March. (our pension value information pages are archaic and confusing). That means in the first quarter of the year, I get paid way more money than normal months. If I get anywhere close to Q1, I'll want to work through it to make sure I get that "extra" money.
- I'm sure that at times in the future I'm going to want to buy really nice things - cameras, bicycles, plane tickets, an AWD van, a cabin in the mountains near the city where my immediate family live, a jetpack, etc.. I think I would rather work the extra time and have the ability to buy these things without worrying about whether I'm spending too much. I know that may be a bit irrational - because I could just work more later if my net worth starts to go down. But I still feel that way. If I quit right now, buying the nice things very well could decreases in my net worth. But instead of going ahead and doing it, and figuring out where to get the money from after, there's a good chance I would just not buy them and would be wishing that I was...... I know, I know.. But again, the abundance thing is important for me.
- My current role at work is the easiest my job has ever been (and of course I make more money than I ever did before). It also gets me to nice locations sometimes. I'm only working like 30-35 hours per week, and thus my effective hourly pay rate is pretty darn high. I don't feel burnt out. The main issue I have with work is that It's just in the way of me doing many of the these other things I want to do after I quit. I just have senioritis.

It does seem like this time in my life is pretty "slow". Like I don't have as much going on as I could. But a lot of why I feel this way is because I'm comparing right now to an imagined (ideal) retirement state. I'm still doing plenty and learning plenty and my life isn't any slower than it ever was before. And now that I've shortened my timeline from 2 years to 1, and made this plan of action, I'll spend much of the time doing what I (feel I) need/want to do before I quit. Maybe these things will take 6 months, and I'll have another 6 months waiting for more money. But that's not so bad. Also, I have a lot of vacation time at work. I can take 5 weeks off over the next year and still have max vacation balance when I quit. Or I could take up to ten weeks off.

(Sorry about this being so long)

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Well yes I like to excel, but I think my reasoning here is just more about having certainty/security/extra

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C40 wrote:Well yes I like to excel, but I think my reasoning here is just more about having certainty/security/extra
A firm foundation is good. Being able to deal with uncertainty/insecurity/less, is also good. Two sides of the same coin. The importance of coping with insecurity and uncertainty becomes heightened when living in a van and drawing on past earnings.

I enjoyed the cycling story. Having others try to catch you when you are way out in front is fun. It's funny, I haven't been on a bike for six months and the thing I miss most is working together with others in a rotating paceline. There is a graceful beauty to it when everyone knows they can trust everyone else in the line.

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I also have no interest in learning about a new company, a new culture. No interest in meeting a whole bunch of different work people...
I can really relate to this sentiment. I'm often told that I should look for a new job for any number of reasons (new challenges, higher pay, career advancement, etc). But the reality is 2-4 weeks of job hunting, 2 weeks of moving and arranging accounts/mail/tranportation/etc, 2-3 months of working extra hard ramping up on new systems and organizational structures, followed by 2-3 months of working extra hard proving my value, before finally settling back into a rut that in the best case is much the same as where I am currently.

Without strong motivation to leave, or very significant incentives waiting on the other side, it seems like a lot to put yourself through purely for the sake of novelty.

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MARCH 2015
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CAMPING TRIP
For work, I have a certain set of locations that I’m responsible to support. This year, my locations include the two best places – one in Arizona, and one in Colorado. That means I’ll get to go on a handful of camping/hiking trips in wonderful places – and they won’t cost much. I worked in Arizona this week, and as I type and post this, I’m out in the wilderness - 15 miles northwest of Sedona, a few hundred feet off a Forest Service road that gets very little traffic.

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Here’s where I’m camping. I have a nice 360 degree view. There may not be another person within a mile. I’ll do a lot of hiking. (the tent is there to hold the spot when I drive to hiking locations). People at work have good recommendations on where to camp and hike – so I have a set of GPS coordinates for a place at the edge of the Mongolian Rim that sounds wonderful – I’ll camp there the next time I come to Arizona.



MONEY STUFF

SPENDING: $1,193
  • Home - $561
  • Entertainment - $394
  • Food - $211
  • Transportation - $27
Entertainment:
Pens - $160
Tea and teaware: $112
Dating - $53
Internet - $45

Remember how I said I’m going to decrease this? Here’s what I’m planning:
  • Reduce dating. This month wasn’t so bad.
  • I’m feeling like I have a set of pens I can use for quite some time. I just need to resist the desire to collect and try others. The last change I want to make is to sell two of my pens (for about $180), and buy one new pen that will cost right around that much.
  • I shouldn’t need any more tea for a long time. If anything I’ll only buy more if I run out of a specific kind that I really like – and that won’t cost much. This month, I spent $ buying a bunch of different kinds of “Tea” without caffeine. I’m pretty sensitive to caffeine and I get addicted quickly (I don’t get cravings, but some days I get tension in my head/neck and get headaches if I don’t have any that day).
  • I’m probably going to cancel the internet. $45 is just too much money, especially when half the time I’m away from home and not using it at all. My work phone can function as a WIfi hotspot and it has LTE. I think that will work well enough. It’s working nicely right now to upload pictures and make this post.
PROGRESS ON 2,015 GOALS

I’m on track with the money goals. I’ll be adding the van purchase and building to my goals. Depending on how I count things, this will result in me not meeting the Savings goal for the year, and make it a bit less likely that I make the net worth goal. These are ok, and I might adjust the targets to account for the van plans.

My year to date savings rate is 89%. It’s high because I have extra income in the first quarter. It will go down over the year – maybe to 80% or so.

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CHARTS

I updated my retirement target, and also my net worth projection. The new net worth projection starts from my current net worth. It uses last year’s savings by month, so it shows the correct income/savings timing (more in Q1 from bonus). I used a 6% return for this projection.

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I really need to check what will happen with my pension money. I’m guessing it would roll into an IRA(???). If they pay it to me as income, I’d lose a lot of it (and shouldn’t be counting it all in my net worth)

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(this is, of course, through Q1 for 2015)


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(These are just my post-tax investments including IRA)
I bought some TD and BNS. My current yearly dividend income is $5,000 from $107k invested. Stock prices have increased to $122k (DLR, CBRL, and TGT have increased the most. I think BP is down the most, but I believe in them!)




HOBBY INCOME TESTING
I’ve started making some new designs. They haven’t sold much yet, but they are getting some views so I think they will be selling over time. I have a lot more ideas brainstormed and documented and I’ll be making and posting more soon. I’m going to start showing my monthly hobby income here. It dropped down to zero at the start of the year, so I’ll be building it back up from there. I did repost some of my designs and they have started selling. But I think reposting them has caused them to get much less traffic, because they have to start over again at the bottom of the search results.

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That's a really nice photo! I kinda miss the desert and its unique beauty. That's a very nice setup you have with work.

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I really enjoy your journal updates. If you want some hobby income, you should consider putting together a little ebook on making charts and graphs! Starting to feel some of that endgame excitement I remember from the last year of spoonman's journal.

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I liked the cycling story in the previous journal. If you ever decide to get back into racing you might try mountain bikes or cyclocross. There's no need for teamwork so there's no reason not to go off the front if you can.

I'm reading your journal and thinking my current situation is about where you were in 2011 (about $100,000 saved, income of about $65,000). I'm hoping to follow in your footsteps but I've got a lot of work to do to get to your 80% savings rate. Thanks for continuing to demonstrate that the math really works.

Sedona looks great. I've been out there a couple of times to ride and climb. If you are looking for something to do you can rent a mountain bike at a bike shop in Sedona and ride world class trails right from the parking lot: http://www.mtbproject.com/directory/166203/sedona

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Is that Red Rock-Secret Mountain Wilderness? If so, did you come across the old native dwellings? I forget which trail it was off of.. I was there last year. Great area.

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spoonman wrote:That's a really nice photo! I kinda miss the desert and its unique beauty. That's a very nice setup you have with work.
Thanks! I'm going to post some more. I really liked it there. I've not spent much time in deserts so it feels new and unique. (And this is very far from full on sand desert). Yes, I'm liking this setup with work.

While I was talking to my mom about pulling my expected quit date closer, she asked me "do you have ideas about how to be able to quit even sooner than that?". [Side note here - my mom has made a huge shift towards thinking like this. At the very beginning of me telling her about my FI/ERE plans, she read the ERE book and the only thing I remember her saying about it was objecting that it doesn't really seem like Jacob is retired because he must exert a lot of time and effort to not have to spend money. Now, she's asking me questions like this that help motivate me and think of things in new ways].

These things have been in my head lately:
  • My Mom's question about what I could do to quit even sooner
  • Thinking about the steps of preparing to quit next year (when to sell house, when to buy van, etc.)
  • Feeling more and more burdened by the expenses and unnecessarily large size of my house (large for me). (I may post a rant related to this soon). I'm spending $550 per month in costs that I will never get back any part of, and $440 per month into house principle, and chances are I will lose some of that when I sell the house.
  • At work, we may soon be up to two members of my team who do the same job as me, but do not live in St. Louis
  • Recent trip to Arizona making me wonder how to have that kind of fun more (for very cheap) while still working
These thoughts are leading to a pretty clear question - should I sell my house this summer instead of next year? It wouldn't save me a ton of money - maybe around $7,000. But it might be a nice mental step forward on top of the money. Some thoughts on what I'd do then:
  • Move in with my brother or dad (they live in a city with a major airport)
  • Build the van on the weekends, then:
  • Go on van trips on weekends - (when I'm done with work for the week - fly to where the van is instead of to my house in St Louis)
  • Tell my boss sorry, I had to move to XXX for YYY reason, so I'll have travel expenses for my St Louis work weeks. They might really not like this because work payed for me to move to St Louis... Which is why I'll use a convincing reason for why I moved away from St Louis. Our company is pretty nice, so maybe they'll let that slide. In the worst case - if they say they will not pay those expenses, I'd keep the van near enough to have it in St Louis to live in for those weeks (it's not a lot of weeks)
5to9 wrote: I really enjoy your journal updates. If you want some hobby income, you should consider putting together a little ebook on making charts and graphs! Starting to feel some of that endgame excitement I remember from the last year of spoonman's journal.
Thanks for the idea. I may investigate that. I started making a serious list of potential income sources after quitting, and I included this. I have almost no idea what the market for this is actually like.. I may also consider making excel templates for budgeting, tracking investments, etc. Maybe something like a cheaper and more modifiable version of YNAB (which seems to be pretty popular)

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I liked the cycling story in the previous journal. If you ever decide to get back into racing you might try mountain bikes or cyclocross. There's no need for teamwork so there's no reason not to go off the front if you can.

... If you are looking for something to do you can rent a mountain bike at a bike shop in Sedona and ride world class trails right from the parking lot..
I may get back into racing in the future. I was close to trying cyclocross near the end of when I was racing. I just didn't want to buy another bike, more parts, more shoes, more wheels, etc. etc.. I may get into MTB while traveling around. I've been thinking about bringing a bike along for at least some portions of this van trip - thinking about what type of bike, how to store it in the van, etc. I saw your post about renting a bike, and saw a good number of people riding on the trails. (and one hilarious case of a couple biking - which was clearly the husband's idea, and the wife was tired and pissed, and while I was sitting on a high point of the trail reading and meditating, I heard her yelling at and arguing with him all the way up the trail). Anyways - I didn't want the expense or hassle of renting a bike and I was plenty happy hiking around for this trip.

theanimal wrote: Is that Red Rock-Secret Mountain Wilderness? If so, did you come across the old native dwellings? I forget which trail it was off of.. I was there last year. Great area.
You know what - I don't even know exactly what the area I camped in is named. I was basically southwest of the point that google maps shows for Red Rock - Secret Mountain. So yes, I think so (?). It appeared there are a number of different old dwellings around there. I didn't go to see any of them. I hiked up a trail, Loy Canyon I believe, that connects with the Secret Mountain trail, which I believe goes to some dwellings, but I didn't go on Secret Mountain trail. I'm sure I'll be back other times and I'll be more interested in seeing them on a later trip.

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My home for the weekend - A Chevy something or other…

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Out walking around near where I camped

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View while hiking

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View from my campsite

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Sunset at camp

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This is the top of what I think was called Doe Mountain trail

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At/near campsite

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Thanks!

They were all near Sedona, AZ. Like 5-15 miles northwest. Some are from where I camped, some are from hikes.

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I'll echo ffj's comments, these are postcard-quality photos! You have a good eye for nice vistas. Thank you for sharing!

About the house, is renting it out a possibility?

One thing that I still remember about owning a house was the taxes I was paying for the local school system. I'll definitely never see that money again.

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C40 wrote:I may also consider making excel templates for budgeting, tracking investments, etc.
Based on personal anecdotal market research, something like "Personal financial planning with Excel for dummies" might be a food idea! Over the past few years I've helped quite a few people with this and people really struggle with general concepts (time value, taking interest/inflation into account in projections, trend lines, savings rate etc), not to mention specific practical things like syntax in functions. A guidebook with some practical examples from someone's actual journey, perhaps accompanied by templates, might be useful and inspiring. Not sure what the income potential for something like this might be though.

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Unless the local housing market is hot, putting your house up for sale ahead of schedule is worthwhile as you never know how soon it will sell.

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Spoonman - I don't think it would cashflow well, but I will be looking at the math close before making a decision.

George - yeah, I don't want to be stuck substantially longer than my target date waiting for the house to sell. See my plan below - this will make it less likely that occurs.

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Updated my plan. I sent the order to sell my Cracker Barrel stocks this morning. That felt like, at the least, a big symbolic step forward. Now I'm shopping for my very own "rapist van"


(The order of this list isn't entirely exact - there's one that I got out of place, and the van system ones are definitely not in order)
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I would guess that the quickest this could go is:
- Buy van - May
- Finish van building - July
- Sell house - September

I will check on if renting the house makes sense. Unless I'm renting it, I won't quit my job until I sell the house. I imagine it'd be easier to get the house rented out than to sell it, so that could prevent me from ending up waiting on a sale. But I need to see if renting makes sense financially and consider if I even want to mess with that.

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