jacob wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:07 pm
Or, no offense although I suppose it's hard not to, but maybe you don't know as much as you think you know? ...
yup, i don't know a lot of things. i don't know most things actually. it's easy to know simple things, but complex things are difficult and uncertain, so i'm always asking questions: to learn, to confirm, to try again, to reframe, etc. i always start from doubt.
no offense taken, i don't need or pretend to know all. where would be the offense in that? i'm not threatened by the realization of my enormous ignorance. only from that one can begin to (try to) learn.
jacob wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:07 pm
That is to say according to my theory of your mind, you're basically trying to put the pieces together exclusively from the table along with random readings of "the most recent forum posts"; not playing 4D chess.
yeah i don't play 4d chess, don't know what it is, or wouldn't even try.
but i was not trying to put "all the pieces together" from the table. i was dealing with the table, which was derived from a different theory about something else for a different purpose.
so i think the structure and framing of the table misleads, but i think your spiderweb is the right metaphor. so i am trying to suggest that building on that would be a better model than adopting someone else's chart created for a different purpose.
eg a chart that showed evolving networks. i am not claiming to "know" this btw. it's an idea i'm putting out there and maybe the hive mind can proceed on it, or not.
jacob wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:07 pm
In short, if this was so clear to everybody all along why oh why did we just spend a combined 10 pages going over this again and again?
i don' t think it's so clear to everyone, but if you believe it is, then you know best, please pay no mind to what i'm saying.
jacob wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:07 pm
not a license to ask the teacher if they could please explain the homework in more detail.
i didn't ask for repeat explanation of "homework," i suggested that a certain explanation (the chart) was a bad one.
no offense here either but if something is generating unwanted effects maybe consider it's not always the other party's fault.
then again, i'm not here for "free tuition", and i don't come here to receive "instruction from above." i bought and read your book, but dont come here for more of the same.
here in the forum i try to contribute to a discussion with a collective. sometimes things pan out, other times they don't. that's the nature of group discussions. but i'm not here as a taker. i think i give back, and i pay my rent. maybe not to you, but to others.
nevertheless if i'm supposed to sit here receiving wisdom from above, ok, good to know, i shall reframe my perspective when it comes to your posts.
jacob wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:07 pm
Anyhoo ... I understand that this entire forum is not just Danish-style grad school. However, it was my impression that this thread was intended to explore a very specific thing whereas it basically got hi-jacked by the socializer party-group. Maybe it's time to fork?
ok, im not sure if this is you kicking me out or what, so i'm asking for clarification because, as stated above, i don't know everything, and the world is often a confusing place, and i'm not a mind reader, so i always begin from doubt, and ask for confirmation. fork what?