Personality Typing

[7Wannabe5]

Interesting. I am considering how this might apply to the activities of gathering or scavenging. For instance, on another thread, it seems like Ego agreed with me that Ne function was of primary use in this activity, especially when there is time constraint or lively competition, but since he is of type ENTJ (Te, Ni, Se, Fi) there was likely some variation in our process/practice. I (Ne, Ti, Fe, Si)used to go out gathering/scavenging quite frequently with my sister who is an INFP (Fi, Ne,Si, Te) and she was quite good at it, but it did seem like she needed to work harder at pushing aside her feelings or justifying her competitive behavior in terms of feelings/ideals, while I was better able to simply switch to "shark" within this context. In fact, on one occasion when I took a BF, who primarily perceived me as "soft", along with me to a sale, he was hugely amused by my ability to switch to "shark" in face of competition. Obviously, his use of the term "shark" was in reference to observing me in active flow state between Ne (the monkey-explorer) and Ti (the snowy owl-integrator) absent any of my usual manifestation of Fe ( the deer/cow), IOW- "not caring/concerned."

I have also noticed that there are some humans who have no natural knack or liking for scavenging/gathering activities, and there are quite a few humans who very much enjoy these sort of activities, but will only discuss them in terms of anecdote.

[daylen]

Off the top of my head, geographical boundaries matter when considering scavenge/exploration preferences of agents in a population. Consider the difference between Melanesia and Midwestern United states, the former promotes the development of tribal societies isolated by valleys and the latter promotes a conquer-and-divide political strategy.

Either way, Si-Ne has an entire representation of the 'conquered' territory (Si) and may seek novel additions referenced by resilient sources (Ne).

Se-Ni has a representation of the 'universal' blueprints that any territory derives from and may seek activities that confirm the completeness of that blueprint.

I am contemplating how geographical differences correlate to population differences in personality distribution. Perhaps the ratios vary depending upon space-time location, though I imagine that the overall space of possible personalities represented is reliable and constant. With some cultures imposing extreme pressure on the representation of some personality traits.

Anyway, scavenging and exploration may be associated with high Ne since it presents a 'pressure' upon Si structure to grow into a feasible representation that can be reproduced reliably (knowledge of potential territorial disputes and untapped resource pools for social proliferation).

[7Wannabe5]

Another thing I have noticed in my scavenging/business dealings with more primary Te/Se types is that they are better at driving the process through to conclusion/sale. Here comes a very poor math based analogy. It's like if you imagine an S curve of production over time, from my perspective, it is like the Te/Se types are always bull-dozing forward on bold tangent line segments.

[daylen]

"Common Sense for all 16 Types": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo-9tHGg53g

This is Host Eric. He knows what he is talking about.

[7Wannabe5]

What Host Eric said about ESTJ and ENTP in that bit was very true. Common sense for ESTJ is "Don't reinvent the wheel" and ENTP is more like "You must deconstruct to reconstruct!" Anyways, I finally figured out that the best way for me to deal with ESTJ type is to remain aware that they are always driving forward through the day's short list prior to expanding long list. If you want to get on of their engines behind your caboose, you have to come up with a very focused medium term goal and it had better be fairly conventional. But, ultimately there is no way you can 24/7 with one of them unless you are really good at living a good portion of your life undercover and away from their intense scrutiny and bull-dozing energy.

Another thing I immediately noticed in that clip was that gender can make a fairly huge difference in presentation/perception. Host Eric is an ENTP and Rachel is INFJ, but my mannerisms/presence would be more like hers than his, even though my cognition would be much more like his.

[daylen]

Another thing I immediately noticed in that clip was that gender can make a fairly huge difference in presentation/perception.

May also be neuroticism or assertiveness which have a gender gap.

[7Wannabe5]

Good point. I test as highly assertive, and my "voice" in a similar situation might be much like Eric's, but my physical mannerisms/appearance would still be more "soft neurotic" (smiling/head-ducking/hair-touching) like Rachel's*. So, it may be the case that my gender related hormones or training have rendered me more like a monkey (Ne) in a superficial bunny (Fe) suit than Eric. OTOH, it may also have to do with the fact that I am eNTP rather then ENTP. My youngest sister is ENTP with a much smaller and more wiry build than me, and she comes off more hyper monkey (Ne) than soft bunny (Fe.) In fact, she has on more than one occasion been misidentified as a young boy. My DS31 INTP who is tall and very thin/rangy, seems more languid yet extremely deliberate in his movements than my sister.


*Also may be the case that our culture has the effect of rendering most females more neurotic about their physical presentation, especially in a situation such as being filmed. My "voice" would be more like Eric's because I am usually fairly unconsciously confident about what I have to say.

[daylen]

Thinking about how a typing system can be coded. Imagine a program that inputs text/audio/video data and outputs a type probability matrix. This obviously requires natural language processing which is considered extremely difficult. Seems to require reference to a static ontological structure at the meso level. The macro level deals with distinct emergent data structures that must be switched (like context). The micro level involves counting atomic patterns (words, phrases, etc.). The meso level would identify implicit associations and their distributions across scale, frequency, and complexity measures.

So, micros are counted in a macro and distributed onto a meso, or something like that. Anyway, the base program could be written in python and accessed from the command line like this where the second line is output.

>> agency(input text);
>> type probability matrix

This assumes one macro (single text file of universal context) and has no additional arguments. Using re and NLTK, text parsing at the micro level will be trivial relative to hard-coding a universal ontology at the meso level. Ideally, what an agent talks about is not as decisive as how they talk about it, since all micro-associations are being translated into a meso-structure with measures derived from graph theoretic and probabilistic tools. In the future, an additional learning layer could be included to classify different macro structures by updating [Bayesian] and to normalize the meso structure. This would help even out extremes or conditional instabilities.

The far future could involve micro-controllers that type agents based on behavioral data and an interface for teaching agents based on their type with micro-associative mirroring. Also, could involve web scrapping to access and type every agent in the world across all levels of emergence (from cells to organisms to firms to civilizations).

[daylen]

Though really, this is all just a project to help myself develop a more rigorous epistemology.

[daylen]

Also considering how completeness and consistency of the agents meso structure corresponds to introverted and extroverted characteristics which are also associated with dependency and stability.

In the far far future I could develop a stealthy Von Neumann probe that replicates across Earth by consuming sand and gravel to monitor and type every agent in order to deliver a message that effectively re-wires their meso structure into my own thereby turning my own mind into a cancer that destroys all complex systems on Earth.

Just kidding. Wouldn't work anyway due to unconsciousness (another name for the incompleteness theorems if you are using a coarse morphism detector). Requires mutation, sex, and recombination which would undermine the 'me'-ness.

[7Wannabe5]

Hmmm...somewhat reminiscent of my own plan in which I envisioned a squad of miniaturized insect-like robots that would detect and gather micro-nutrients from whatever weeds were growing in vacant urban lots and then convert them into whatever flavor of cookie I wanted. Obviously, if your plan comes into fruition first, my plan will default to whatever cookie you would want. So, I don't think I will like your plan.

[Stahlmann]

<thinking about dumping down content of this topic for personal reasons>
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is it like average non-NT (in MBTI sense) sees it as average NT?

[daylen]

Elaborate?

[Alphaville]

i just did an online test. i’ve done tests like this before. but now i’m read it differently. now instead of consolidating into a monolithic “type” im reading it as percentages.

60 introvert / 40 extrovert = rings true. i like quiet but do not ever mind speaking up and enjoy a good constructive debate
85 intuition /15 sensing = i don’t know how this works. i thoroughly enjoy the senses, but working in detailed and conventional stuff, like filling forms, kills me.
65 thinking / 35 feeling = yup. i favor thinking, but i’m certainly not a robot. i was probably closer to 50/50 in my youth
80 perceiving / 20 judging = very much so. the judging part has been consciously cultivated so as to keep chaos at bay, because it’s not my nature to keep order.

so that would make me an INTP that is sometimes an ENTP sometimes an INFP and sometimes too in some contexts an ENFP (eg at parties).

the SJ bits are there much less but i’m sure there are specificic situations that allow for such behavioral combos because type is not everything. ESFJ scenarios may be infrequent, but are certainly possible. i read that type’s description and i can see that in some contexts i will do some of those things attributed to them.

eta: i find typical INTP career recommendations very dry and boring. i need some E aspect for entertainment and some F for Fun. for sure.

[CS]

Much of this thread is above my level of knowledge, but these guys are helping my understand more of the functional stacks. Baby steps. I think someone on this forum turned me on to them.

Objective Personality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJhhV3VZS90

[Alphaville]

Much of this thread is above my level of knowledge, but these guys are helping my understand more of the functional stacks. Baby steps. I think someone on this forum turned me on to them.

Objective Personality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJhhV3VZS90

thanks so much for this link. at first i thought these were just a couple of trolls (the bernie sanders video is very funny), but then there’s this one:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fmZGJoywx78

total game changer

ps of course more headaches, more jargon... at least they’re honest that it will take you months

[CS]

@Alphaville
Yeah, you need to be able to laugh at yourself with those guys. I posted that one video because... me (*blush*). Checking out that video you posted now. Think I've seen it before but the memory, it's not so good these days, lol.