In Tucker Carlson's book Ship Of Fools, pp 88-107, he illustrates how liberals used to be anti-war as a matter of course. He thinks that Bill Clinton watched as Democrats kept losing because voters thought they were weak (". . . from 1968 through 1988, Democrats decisively lost five presidential elections and narrowly won another.") . So after he was elected, he increased the military presence of the deployment he inherited, Somalia, and also ordered US troops into Haiti, started the air campaign in the Balkans (and later ordered thousands of troops there), dropped cruise missiles on Sudan and Afghanistan, and of started regularly bombing Iraq. "Since Clinton took the party back in a hawkish direction, the Democrats have lost the popular vote only once, in 2004."fell-like-rain wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:45 amAll the lefties I know have been shitting on Trump for not visiting the troops or for withdrawing from Syria, and I'm just here wondering when everyone in America became a neocon hawk when it comes to foreign policy. Nobody seems to care anymore about wasting lives and money on pointless wars, or extrajudicial killings, or blowing up American citizens...
"When then-senator Barack Obama ran for president in 2008, he positioned himself as the antiwar candidate. He attacked his top opponent, Hillary Clinton, for supporting the 2002 war resolution and pledged to get US troops out of Iraq. But after he was elected, he supported the overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya, ordered drone strikes on thousands of people, "most of them in 'non-battlefield' areas like Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. Some of the people killed were American citizens, struck down as 'enemy-combatants' despite being far away from US troops, in countries the US was not at war with. . . . By the end of the Obama years, America was not only bombing Syria, but had ground troops there, this time for the purposes of fighting the Islamic State."
"In 2008, three antiwar documentaries were nominated for Best Documentary at the Academy Awards, and Hollywood stars routinely bashed President Bush's foreign policy. . . . In 2016 there wasn't a single antiwar song in the top 100 pop hits."
"In one of those weird historical ironies that almost nobody seemed to appreciate at the time, the Republican in the race was running well to the left of his Democratic opponent on key foreign policy questions. Donald Trump gave speech after speech attacking the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the idea of nation building more broadly. Hillary Clinton was still defending the decision to kill Gaddafi."
Max Boot and Bill Kristol are also sampled as war hawks that influence politicians.
So that's his take.