Clinton Coverup Queen

[Dragline]

Thank you for confirming that actually watching these pep rallies is a complete waste of time. Yeesh.

[Spartan_Warrior]

I was in Philly for marches and protests the past four days; home today.

Rumor has it that a private roll call vote took place yesterday morning when delegates went to retrieve their credentials. Supposedly, Clinton did not receive enough pledged delegate votes to win. Not enough of her delegates showed up. In response, the DNC changed the procedure. Super delegates were supposed to vote separately, today, I believe. Instead they lumped super delegate votes into the state-by-state roll call vote that was televised for the circus, putting Clinton over the top. Not sure how true this is.

What's definitely true is that many of Bernie's 1900 delegates left the convention immediately after the state-by-state roll call vote. Some 300(?) made it into the press tent before they were shut out, with the rest gathering outside. A silent sit-in protest took place for about forty minutes after which they started answering press questions about the rigging of the primary. The DNC apparently bused people in to fill all the empty seats for Bill's speech. Despite occupying the media tent, I still have to wonder if any of the media covered this...?

Remember Schultz talking last week about how "united" the party would be at the convention?

Speaking of unity and falling in line, Jill Stein gave some great speeches to pretty huge crowds in Philly.

[Spartan_Warrior]

@FFJ: Both large numbers and very vocal protestors. I don't know how to estimate the numbers. I know Philly was expecting 30-50,000 and I would not be surprised if that was accurate. A friend I met filmed the Sunday "March for Bernie" from the front to the end and it took about a half hour of solid crowds. The Town Hall area was packed shoulder to shoulder at the start of both marches I participated in. At the end of the marches, FDR park was also very crowded. Many people camping out illegally in FDR park, but as of yesterday, police weren't evicting them. Police were also allowing large numbers to congregate outside the double walls of the Wells Fargo Center to protest. I was camped outside the city in a state park and caught rides back and forth, so can't speak to what happened overnight.

Philly PD in general were very good and accommodating; in fact, they were probably getting tired of all of us thanking them and telling them that. From what I saw (again, by light of day and at the permitted events), the protestors were also all peaceful and law-abiding. I have heard that some pepper spray may have been used on a woman who trying too hard to get inside Wells Fargo Center last night, but that's the only incident I heard.

The energy was incredible. So much so that, as shell-shocked as I still am by the coronation, I'm a little more optimistic for the future. People are waking up.

Not sure what's happening Thursday. There were multiple events planned, including a mass rally centered around "#DemExit"--everyone leaving the Democratic party to protest Clinton.

[tylerrr]

@FFJ: Both large numbers and very vocal protestors. I don't know how to estimate the numbers. I know Philly was expecting 30-50,000 and I would not be surprised if that was accurate. A friend I met filmed the Sunday "March for Bernie" from the front to the end and it took about a half hour of solid crowds. The Town Hall area was packed shoulder to shoulder at the start of both marches I participated in. At the end of the marches, FDR park was also very crowded. Many people camping out illegally in FDR park, but as of yesterday, police weren't evicting them. Police were also allowing large numbers to congregate outside the double walls of the Wells Fargo Center to protest. I was camped outside the city in a state park and caught rides back and forth, so can't speak to what happened overnight.

Philly PD in general were very good and accommodating; in fact, they were probably getting tired of all of us thanking them and telling them that. From what I saw (again, by light of day and at the permitted events), the protestors were also all peaceful and law-abiding. I have heard that some pepper spray may have been used on a woman who trying too hard to get inside Wells Fargo Center last night, but that's the only incident I heard.

The energy was incredible. So much so that, as shell-shocked as I still am by the coronation, I'm a little more optimistic for the future. People are waking up.

Not sure what's happening Thursday. There were multiple events planned, including a mass rally centered around "#DemExit"--everyone leaving the Democratic party to protest Clinton.

I felt that energy when I attended Occupy Miami years ago....It's an amazing feeling to feel people unite against corruption.

[jennypenny]

I guess the 'unity' memo hasn't made it to the cheap seats in the arena yet. I wonder if Clinton will make her 'surprise' appearance tonight amidst the chanting. They already locked Kaine in a closet to make sure he doesn't inspire any more booing.

[Spartan_Warrior]

Yeah, I'm not the least bit surprised CNN and its ilk have other priorities in their coverage than the protests. Here's some overhead footage of the March for Bernie on Sunday: https://www.facebook.com/wearethemedia2 ... 926395305/

Another reason it's hard to estimate the total numbers is because there are multiple events and rallies happening at the same time around Philly. But I suspect March for Bernie on Sunday was the "main event".

@Jenny: I'm not watching it anymore--couldn't stomach the Clinton worship. What are they chanting? Do you know if the Bernie delegates returned to the convention or are there still empty seats? I know some said they had no intention of even returning after the walk out. If many of the Bernie delegates aren't even present anymore and they're still managing to disrupt this corrupt shit-show... my heart swells with pride for my tribe.

[jennypenny]

Her speech looks ok. We'll see how her delivery is. It's not her strong suit, so I don't think a poor speech is a mark against her. I think the trick tonight is to deliver the speech without looking tired or coughing.

They've been confiscating Sanders gear again. Apparently, there's some offensive stuff like buttons that say "Life's a Bitch, don't vote for one". I agree that stuff is inappropriate.

[jennypenny]

They dimmed the lights to try and mask the people who are still protesting against HRC, but the Sanders supporters are wearing glow-in-the-dark shirts. LOL https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CofMckpUIAQdG6Z.jpg

[GandK]

They dimmed the lights to try and mask the people who are still protesting against HRC, but the Sanders supporters are wearing glow-in-the-dark shirts. LOL https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CofMckpUIAQdG6Z.jpg

[jennypenny]

Not a good week for Clinton, especially after the big bump in the polls following the convention. First the health issues resurfaced, then the Orlando shooter's father was given a VIP seat at her speech, and now a rumor is circulating that the murdered DNC staffer is the source of the leaks, and not the Russians. She is so lucky that Trump is incapable of keeping his mouth shut for 5 minutes, or the press would be hounding her and doing serious damage to her candidacy. Instead, Trump seems hell-bent on providing quotes that are so outrageous they make the lead in the news outlets.

I hope the story about the DNC staffer is false. If it turns out to be true, it's very disturbing.

[Spartan_Warrior]

or the press would be hounding her and doing serious damage to her candidacy

So close to describing the whole elephant. A neutral press would, but a press controlled by six corporations, most of whom are Clinton campaign donors...? I cannot reiterate this enough: the press has no interest in damaging Clinton's candidacy and every interest in propping it up with those Trump quotes.

By the way, aside from Seth Rich, did you hear about this?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08 ... nc-papers/

All hail the queen, or off with your head.

[IlliniDave]

Yeah, I saw that photo of two men who looked like like they were basically having to carry her up the stairs. If you believe what the vast right-wing conspiracy says, bodies appear in the wake of the Clintons rather frequently. The other disturbing thing that I heard about this week was the story of the Iranian scientist who was allegedly mentioned in the scrubbed email cache and reportedly killed recently.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/middleeas ... -executed/

I also saw McCullough's testimony for the first time this week. So much for the "what Patraeus did was worse" whitewash.

Another odd (probably insignificant) coincidence is that it occurred to me there was another time a billionaire businessman basically splintered the republican party and torpedoed their chances at winning the presidency -- 1992, when Bill C won the presidency with notably less than the majority of the popular vote. History rhymes and all.

[Spartan_Warrior]

@Dave: That is interesting. I hadn't noticed that similarity to 1992.

Sort of related... I haven't determined the legitimacy of the "Guccifer 2.0" (https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/) DNC leaks--not sure if they have been acknowledged as legit by the DNC or anyone else, unlike the Wikileaks dump--so I take all of this with a grain of salt.

That said, one of the files (https://guccifer2.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/2.doc) is a strategy email concerning how to undermine the GOP candidates for 2016. Most of it looks pretty ordinary. But one of their strategies stands out to me:

"Highlighting Extreme or Unpopular Positions

There are two ways to approach the strategies mentioned above. The first is to use the field as a whole to inflict damage on itself similar to what happened to Mitt Romney in 2012. The variety and volume of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more “Pied Piper” candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. In these issues, we would elevate statements and policies from any candidate—including second and third-tier candidates—on issues that will make them seem too far to the right on social issues and too far from the priorities of everyday Americans on economic issues." (Emphasis mine.)

The DNC was looking for a "Pied Piper" candidate whose statements and policies they would "elevate" rather than marginalize to discredit the Republican party as "too far to the right... too far from the priorities of everyday Americans..."

This email is from May 26, 2015.

Interestingly, it was in late May when Slick Willy and the Donald allegedly had their infamous phone call:

"Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.

Clinton’s personal office in New York confirmed that the call occurred in late May, but an aide to Clinton said the 2016 race was never specifically discussed and that it was only a casual chat."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

A casual chat like the one with Loretta Lynch? Just golf and grandkids, right?

Or perhaps the DNC was being very proactive indeed in finding their Pied Piper?

By the way... Is it paranoid that I'm now considering with at least some seriousness whether I ought to set up a "dead man's switch" of some kind as insurance after laying so much of this out? Do I know too much?

Speaking of which, on another note--where is Edward Snowden?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/edward-snowden ... et-1574892

[IlliniDave]

Interesting, Spartan. The alleged DNC strategy would result in the de facto DNC PR arm (MSM) elevating Trump's voice. Given the possibility early on that Trump looked like he might be a threat to go independent, one could speculate they also tried to alienate him from the Republican establishment enough to force him to go independent ala Perot. Only problem being they pushed him towards a Republican base already alienated from the party brass and into the nomination. But it all appears to be working out as now the Republican establishment is backed into the corner of having to splinter off from their own party and try to stand up an independent.

[Dragline]

Except that Trump was already courting a Republican base at the time of the last presidential election. From that highly amusing website SW uncovered (read about Romney's impending landslide victory in Oct/Nov 2012):

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11 ... -travesty/

This history repeating itself may be verbatim.

[Spartan_Warrior]

Haha, that is amusing. I didn't vet that site very deeply, just googled "DNC attorney death" or the like and grabbed one of the more recent articles. Anyone can feel free to do the same to fit his or her own ideological biases and/or metric of truthiness.

For the record, that Trump was courting the Republican base in 2012 doesn't really undermine the "Trump is a plant" theory. Clearly Clinton has been making designs on 2016 at least since her designs on 2008 failed. Trump, likewise, boarded the birther train in 2008 and conveniently switched from Democrat to Republican in 2009. Fits the narrative IMO. No one said the Slick Willy call was their first conversation. Indeed, it's widely known the Clintons and Trumps are longstanding friends--their kids are friends, Bill and Hillary attended Trump's wedding in 2005, etc. Just saying.

[BRUTE]

brute loves Assange. but he is also confounded by the fact that Assange seems so clearly anti-Hillary, but has nothing to say about Trump. it might just be his troll nature. brute also usually ends up defending Trump in discussions, not because he likes Trump, but because everybody brute knows is pro-Hillary, and brute won't stand for that.

@ffj:

did ffj see the clip about Clinton going into a full on seizure? crazy stuff. and Bill looks pretty sickly, too, even for a vegan :-/

[jennypenny]

The email I got late last night said that Seth Rich's father was the source for the leak story, not Assange. Assange is like Trump and should learn to shut his mouth when he's tempted to put his foot in it.

@ffj--That story from Orlando is crazy, isn't it? Who thought that was a good idea? I used to moderate a forum run by a guy from Orlando who is gay. He (uncharacteristically) went off on Clinton over how insensitive it was. He said it was a slap in the face to one of the oldest and most established LBGT communities.

@brute--If Clinton really has a health issue, I don't know why she doesn't come clean about it. That stuff always comes out. Besides, I think people are more accepting of that stuff now. It could also make her look more human, if you know what I mean.

[BRUTE]

brute thinks health works on humans on a pretty basic animal level. humans like certain healthy looks subconsciously. coming clean about it might work for the intellectual mind, but subconsciously, brute doesn't think so. that's why humans dye their hair, get their teeth whitened, wear flattering clothes..

brute thinks humans like other humans "looking human" when it's something they identify with that they also think is positive. assholes who like being assholes like Trump for being an asshole. very few humans like being sick.

[Dragline]

Thought some of you would appreciate this:

http://theweek.com/articles/641785/hill ... heney-left

But I'm still going with Nixon . . .