Subsistence farming & Extremely simple way of life

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Subsistence farming & Extremely simple way of life

Post by ira_kart » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:52 am

Not sure if they qualify for ERE lifestyle, but they are one of my inspirations for moving back to land and thought of sharing it. For those who are lazy :) to click on the link, pasting the content below and the link does have some pictures of those who we are talking about.

I follow one of their blogs religiously. Some of Sriram's thoughts are truly radical talking about the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, but I am surprised to see them own 7.5 acres which is way too much than they need for their needs.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/bl ... 693514.ece

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Post by Riggerjack » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:54 am

Yeah, this trend is happening here, too. I have a co-worker, come back from early retirement, working for about 100k per year, dreaming of moving to Vermont, buying a farm, and making gourmet goat cheese. But here's the kicker, between her and her fiance, they own a few million dollars in residential real estate, plus the regular 9.9% retirement assets. She could retire today, sell tomorrow, and be shopping for a farm this weekend. But one more year...

This seems common enough, high earners burn out, and decide to go live with nature, like a farm is nature :roll:

These people need a better template. And long term, that's my retirement project, showing people with too much money how to actually get back to nature. And if you wonder what I mean by that, I mean that if you pay to have your poo processed and dumped in a river, or for a piece of heavy equipment to regularly come to your house to remove trash to go fill up a valley, you need a better template.

IRA, from my view, 7.5 acres for one man isn't excessive at all. Dedicating it to very inefficient farming practice is just lacking in imagination, though.

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Post by George the original one » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:21 pm

ira_kart wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:52 am
but I am surprised to see them own 7.5 acres which is way too much than they need for their needs.
"Siddharth only keeps a fourth of the produce for himself. He sells the rest mostly to friends and family directly"


Growing grains takes land. Westerners are very used to grain being something that comes from the store, something never grown in home gardens.

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Post by Riggerjack » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:23 am

Growing grains takes land. Westerners are very used to grain being something that comes from the store, something never grown in home gardens.
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What? You don't grow your own wheatgrass? But what do you make smoothies from? Maybe you have been outside of Portland too long. :D

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Post by 7Wannabe5 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:41 am

@Riggerjack:

You might want to try reading "The One Straw Revolution" by Masanobu Fukuoka.

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Post by ira_kart » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:15 am

Riggerjack wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:54 am
IRA, from my view, 7.5 acres for one man isn't excessive at all. Dedicating it to very inefficient farming practice is just lacking in imagination, though.
I do not know from where you get that impression that it is not excessive. India has seen social movements to redistribute the lands from the wealthy landlords to the peasantry less than 100 years ago during its freedom struggle. May be in US, where the average land holding size is a whooping 442 acres, its not considered much. But India is a totally different story. The average land holding size is around 2.3 acres. I remember in the story above they own it along with one of their brothers, so jointly they maintain the whole land though their share may be just around 3~4 acres. For a family of four in a tropical country where there is Sunshine for more than 300 days of year, one does not need more than 2 acres for their own needs. May be some of these thoughts are socialist in character, but everyone of us share the Earth's resources and owning more than one needed because they have money "power" is a way of economic war on the depressed classes.

@George - unfortunately no. We do not need so much land. please read the above response. The article talks about three people. Siddharth, the more recluse one with no internet owns 2.25 acres while the "connected to the Internet on a dial up" Sriram/Karpagam husband/wife duo owns 7.5 acres. I was talking about the latter.

@7W5- that one is an awesome read. So much radical in thought and that is one book which revolutionised the paddy farmers of SE Asia against the IRRI and their national governments. The below article tears the whole "Green Revolution".

https://orientviews.wordpress.com/2012/ ... e-alvares/

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Post by enigmaT120 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:57 am

7Wannabe5 wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:41 am
@Riggerjack:

You might want to try reading "The One Straw Revolution" by Masanobu Fukuoka.
I like that book. I have another of his too, can't remember the name.

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Post by Riggerjack » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:54 pm

@7w5, thanks, it's on hold at the library, I'll let you know what I find.

@ ira_kart
I've never been to India, your knowledge is infinitely more detailed than mine, which is based on Western media and a few hours if looking at Google maps.

But my point is that even when living the life of a subsistence farmer, there are land uses that are also not agricultural. Even if you can grow all you eat, there is the issue of where you live, how much water you use, the fuel you use, the waste you need to process, and all the land that produces all the other resources to make the circle of life work. When you factor in all the ways we use land, 7.5 acres doesn't seem like much.

While I wouldn't expect a typical urbanite to think of all these factors, what else does someone dedicating their life to subsistence farming (after a career that should end personal resource scarcity) have to distract him from wanting to close those loops?

And this is no criticism of the protagonist in the link, but rather of the whole "9.9% to righteous farmer conversion" template. I like the concept, but feel it could be implimented better. Though I haven't done it yet, so maybe I am wrong.

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