Investments Trade Log

Ask your investment, budget, and other money related questions here
jacob
Site Admin
Posts: 11016
Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:38 pm
Location: USA, Zone 5b, Koppen Dfa, Elev. 620ft, Walkscore 73
Contact:

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by jacob » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:24 pm

Looks like traders are beginning to sell quality issues to cover margin calls. Everything is down. No distribution patterns I see.

(Recently I went through all my stuff and sold almost everything with a high debt/capital ratio, the exception being T)

Should also keep in mind that technically the Fed is in charge of regulating the money supply to the economy (which has more than enough cheap cash available), not the price of the stock markets. It would be quite welcome if they would keep hiking.

Add: It's also been a while since I've heard anyone chanting things like "buy the dip" or "stocks are on sale" whenever the market declines by 2%.

User avatar
Dream of Freedom
Posts: 349
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:58 pm
Location: Nebraska, US

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by Dream of Freedom » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:49 pm

jacob wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:24 pm
Looks like traders are beginning to sell quality issues to cover margin calls. Everything is down. No distribution patterns I see.

(Recently I went through all my stuff and sold almost everything with a high debt/capital ratio, the exception being T)

Should also keep in mind that technically the Fed is in charge of regulating the money supply to the economy (which has more than enough cheap cash available), not the price of the stock markets. It would be quite welcome if they would keep hiking.
A lot of technical traders probably had stop losses triggered. In Dow Theory a failure swing (in this case the official break of the uptrend on the 1 year chart) just got triggered. The level that signifies a downtrend in this case according to that was S&P 2575.49.
Last edited by Dream of Freedom on Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Mister Imperceptible
Posts: 857
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:18 pm

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by Mister Imperceptible » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:27 pm

Considering the (abysmal) track record of investors and economists being able to foresee a recession, is it not revealing that headlines are now shouting “Recession in 2020?”

“Truly, the real black swan problem of stock market busts is not about a remote event that is considered unforeseeable; rather it is about a foreseeable event that is considered remote. The vast majority of market participants fail to expect what should be, in reality, perfectly expected events.”

Mark Spitznagel

jacob
Site Admin
Posts: 11016
Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:38 pm
Location: USA, Zone 5b, Koppen Dfa, Elev. 620ft, Walkscore 73
Contact:

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by jacob » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:31 pm

Fed hikes from 2.00-2.25 to 2.25-2.50% as expected. However, further projected 2019 hikes cut from 3 to 2.

Even though the bond market expected this, the stock market apparently didn't. *Ding!*

Add: Not exactly an orderly reaction. More like risk-off than interest-up :roll:

User avatar
jennypenny
Posts: 6179
Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:20 pm
Location: Stepford USA

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by jennypenny » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:18 am

Interesting interview with Stan Drunkenmiller. I like his comment @29:15 that one of his investing strengths was being open minded.

cmonkey
Posts: 1764
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:56 am

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by cmonkey » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:52 am

Here we go Dow 20,000!! WOOOO!

thegreatvoid

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by thegreatvoid » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:59 am

how low do you think the market could go ?

just
Posts: 4
Joined: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:16 pm

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by just » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:32 am

@jacob: So what is your interpretation of the stock market overreaction? Because the rate hike was anticipated from my understanding. Is it because investors only wanted to move over once the rate was hiked? I mean, can you only get short term instruments with a interest rate of 2.5% once the FED hikes the rate?

jacob
Site Admin
Posts: 11016
Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:38 pm
Location: USA, Zone 5b, Koppen Dfa, Elev. 620ft, Walkscore 73
Contact:

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by jacob » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:38 pm

Turns out risk-off made sense. There was some statement language that the Fed will no longer manage for volatility (no Powell put).

cmonkey
Posts: 1764
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:56 am

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by cmonkey » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:34 pm

cmonkey wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:01 pm
Going to watch for 7%.
Patience is a virtue! Too bad I bought at 6.5%.

George the original one
Posts: 4726
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:28 am
Location: Wettest corner of Orygun

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by George the original one » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:27 pm

cmonkey wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:34 pm
Patience is a virtue! Too bad I bought at 6.5%.
T @7.12% yield this morning, so I finally couldn't resist. Only bought a token amount in an IRA in case it's a value trap.

Mister Imperceptible
Posts: 857
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:18 pm

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by Mister Imperceptible » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:44 pm

jennypenny wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:18 am
Interesting interview with Stan Drunkenmiller. I like his comment @29:15 that one of his investing strengths was being open minded.
At 10m30s he rips Dalio without mentioning him.

I agree, nothing beautiful about it.

George the original one
Posts: 4726
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:28 am
Location: Wettest corner of Orygun

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by George the original one » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:09 pm

I got out of AVA (Avista, electric utility) a few quarters after the deal to be purchased by Hydro One (Canadian utility) was announced. The buyout price was good, got to collect a few more dividends, but didn't see any reason to hang on until the buyout was finished.

About two weeks ago, Washington PUC denied the buyout and the stock price sank. It hadn't dropped sufficiently to make a case for adding AVA back to my portfolio based on yield, however I've just stumbled onto this little tidbit which makes me reconsider:
"Hydro One would owe Avista a $103 million break-up fee if the merger isn’t approved by regulators, according to a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission."

AVA has about 65 million shares, so a $103 million payout is not bad. And if the deal eventually goes through, share price will go back up about $8.

Mister Imperceptible
Posts: 857
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:18 pm

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by Mister Imperceptible » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:12 pm

Great interview with Jeff Gundlach. He hits all the notes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hA_kg_nMGNU

I might open an account with Treasury Direct next week and buy some 2-year Treasury notes to compliment my precious metals. That is all the duration risk I am willing to take. Gundlach opines that the the 10-year Treasury could yield 6% in just a few years.

Edit: Treasury yields for durations 1 year or longer look like they peaked in early November. Not sure if bond buyers have the power to keep them low. If the bear market deepens then the Fed will likely reverse course, but it will be interesting to see how the short term Fed Funds rate works against the growing deficits. The Chinese and Japanese could dump more of their Treasuries, forcing yields upward as well. The yield curve looks really strange. As Spock would say: “Fascinating.”

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-cente ... &year=2018

cmonkey
Posts: 1764
Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:56 am

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by cmonkey » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:10 am

So many price triggers tripping - Merry Christmas everyone. :)

George the original one
Posts: 4726
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:28 am
Location: Wettest corner of Orygun

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by George the original one » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:15 am

I'm off the idea of AVA this morning. Looking at the revenue and profits, they need a merger (whether they're buying or selling) to justify the current price as the trend is not in their favor.

jacob
Site Admin
Posts: 11016
Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:38 pm
Location: USA, Zone 5b, Koppen Dfa, Elev. 620ft, Walkscore 73
Contact:

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by jacob » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:58 am

Nasdaq entered a bear market Friday. S&P500 entered a bear market Monday.

Given TTM earnings and median P/E valuations, the price of the S&P500 would be 2067.
Given CAPE10 earnings and median P/CAPE10 valuations, the price of the S&P500 would be 1413.

The current price of the S&P500 is 2351.

Michael_00005
Posts: 90
Joined: Thu May 04, 2017 12:26 pm
Location: East coast USA

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by Michael_00005 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:55 pm

After ignoring the market for for about 3 months I ended up getting back in on 12/24; when the market dives I mostly stop looking. Tripled down on OPI (last 2 days), as I think this one oversold big time. It currently has around * dividend yield.

--Edit At the time of this post E-Trade noted an incorrect dividend of 1.72 (*), they actually will only pay .55. So the yield I originally noted of 21% was incorrect. Guess you have to be very careful of the data being provided on financial sites.

My personal portfolio got clobbered in 2018. Hopefully recoup with some gains in 2019, and be more into cash like investments for the 2nd half of the year. It would have been nice to have had more on the side to capitalize on the pull-back.
Last edited by Michael_00005 on Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:11 am, edited 1 time in total.

Mister Imperceptible
Posts: 857
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:18 pm

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by Mister Imperceptible » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:16 pm

Obligatory table pounding.

It’s not too late to question assumptions. The recent bounce looks to me like a great selling opportunity.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/423313 ... ket-cycles

https://seekingalpha.com/article/423231 ... -kirk-gold

https://seekingalpha.com/article/423294 ... -bests-gdx

http://www.myrmikan.com/port/

Outside my retirement accounts I hold cash, 2-year Treasuries, physical gold and silver. (Holding rental property bought 3 years ago.)

In my retirement accounts (~15% of NW) I am long GDXJ and a little SGDM.

If I am wrong, and the Fiat Credit Boom continues, I should have no problem pulling in 6 figures of the fictitious money in the next few years. My portfolio does not exist in a vacuum.

Judging by the reaction to the government shutdown in the US, and civil unrest in Europe, it is clear that no one has any money saved. Individuals, corporations, and sovereigns are collectively broke. A recession has not even hit hard yet. When it does, there will be no alternative but to print. There are too many paper claims on too few goods and services.

You still have time to “make it real.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wM6exo00T5I&t=85s

jacob
Site Admin
Posts: 11016
Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:38 pm
Location: USA, Zone 5b, Koppen Dfa, Elev. 620ft, Walkscore 73
Contact:

Re: Investments Trade Log

Post by jacob » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:35 pm

PG&E (PCG) will file for bankruptcy following potential liabilities from wildfires in 2018 and 2017. This wipes out 17B+ of market value + the equity.

Thanks #climatechange

Post Reply