Page 2 of 2

Re: Ran Prieur Watch

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:19 pm
by candide
Today's post at Ran Prieur's site has more links than I want to take the trouble to deal with right now, but it is really good on topics that intersect the kind of questions of technology and skills ERE blog and book touch on.

Re: Ran Prieur Watch

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:12 pm
by candide
Ran writes
September 5. For Labor Day, I'm thinking about the word "work". One definition is very broad. Work doesn't have to be productive, because Sisyphus rolling a rock up a hill, that always rolls back down, is doing work. It doesn't have to be physical, because chess players thinking about their next move are doing work (and burning a lot of calories). Even meditation could be called work, when the literal intructions are to do nothing.

Another definition is narrow: in the context of a society where tokens are exchanged for goods and services, you're doing a service in exchange for some of these tokens. If you're reading an article about "work", this is usually what they mean, and if you practice reading "work" as "work for money", you'll see the subject more clearly.

Humans like to do stuff. But as a means for arranging the stuff we do, wage labor has only been common for a few hundred years. It is now in decline for multiple reasons, but the main one is that it's failing to satisfy our need for meaning, for our actions to be part of something larger that we believe in. We no longer believe that doing wage labor with more intensity (working hard) will make us rich. Employers are openly calling workers "resources" in their quest for higher stock prices.

In response, the phrase "work-life balance" is putting wage labor in opposition to life. Back in 2004, when I wrote "How To Drop Out", people would say, what would happen if everyone dropped out? That's basically happening now. When I go to the drug store, and half the shelves are empty, I can't complain, because filling those shelves requires a long string of shitty jobs.

It's anyone's guess how it will all shake out. I like to think we're still in the early stages of figuring out how to run an ethical society. For the last few hundred years, the organizing principle of people doing things has been how much money can be made by people doing things, where money is the power to make people do things they would not do except for the money. In a better society, the organizing principle of people doing things is what people enjoy doing.

Re: Ran Prieur Watch

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:02 am
by Lemur
Part of me just thinks this is the natural cycle of things. Wage workers are in a unique position where they've the upper-hand against they employer...rising wages, low unemployment, remote work, etc., and overall increased negotiation position where the worker can now walk away from bad jobs. So quiet quitting is nothing new - people have been doing this for generations. Barely getting by, doing the bare-minimum, not going above and beyond, your normal so called B-type personalities.

But this could backfire eventually with the talk of upcoming recession. Job layoffs, mergers and acquisitions, cost-cutting efforts, "doing more with less." And once unemployment starts to rise, I could see the power beginning to shift back to the employer. Which employees will make it out the other end? Those with in-demand skills, those who can show on paper what they accomplish, perhaps those who're willing to bend more to manager wishes like going into the office, and those who can prove they are needed to grow the business.

Especially in the USA, I don't think a welfare state exists enough where an "ethical society" can emerge. I think certain Maslow needs have to be met before that could happen. Despite the rising wages and low unemployment, cost of living is still high relatively speaking for the younger generations who aren't home/landowners. So what we see is enough power to demand better...but not enough power to drop out and reform society.

Re: Ran Prieur Watch

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:46 pm
by candide
I didn't copy the links. Click through to Ran's site if you want them. Full disclosure: I didn't read follow any of the links, but still felt I enjoyed the piece as a whole.

Ran Writes:
September 12. Today's subject is motivation. This is a well-written article, Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs, where eating frogs means forcing yourself to do stuff you don't feel like doing.

| These were students who had eaten enough frogs to get into Princeton and Harvard. Their reward was -- surprise! -- more frogs. So they ate those frogs too. And now they're staring down a whole lifetime of frog-eating and starting to feel like maybe something, somewhere has gone wrong. |

There's also good stuff in the Hacker News comment thread. But missing from both is any critique of industrial capitalism. For hundreds of years, machines have been doing more stuff; and when making decisions about whether to replace human workers with machines, the guiding principle has been making money, rather than arranging society so that we enjoy what we're doing.

Mechanization justifies itself with the assumption that useful physical tasks are all tedious chores, which is not at all true. A good book on this subject is Shop Class as Soulcraft by Matthew Crawford.

In thinking about tasks that we should or shouldn't build our lives out of, I've been framing it in terms of tasks we enjoy or don't enjoy. That's not wrong, but this blog post, On being tired, mentions a framing I find more useful: tasks that give back energy vs tasks that drain energy.

This idea gives me the leverage to critique a framing I find less useful: tasks you believe in, vs tasks you don't. That's why I failed as a homesteader. Even though I strongly believed in self-sufficient low-tech living, it turned out that almost all of the actual tasks drained my energy. (The only one that didn't was throwing sticks into piles.)

The culture of motivational speaking assumes that your belief, your attitude, your aspiration are all-important. I think those things are like jump-starting a battery. Then, if doing the actual tasks doesn't give you energy back, your battery is going to die again.

Two related links. Countering the Achievement Society is about reinventing schooling so that it's not about joyless accomplishment, but having the free time to find your place in the world.

And A new way of life: the Marxist, post-capitalist, green manifesto captivating Japan is about how much better life will be if we give up economic growth.

Re: Ran Prieur Watch

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:50 pm
by candide
Ran writes:
September 13. Continuing on motivation, yesterday's post was all over the place, and today I have a clean point, inspired by research that shows two kinds of love between couples. The first kind is strong and exciting, and gets the couple together. Later they develop a connection that's not exciting, but deeper and more enduring -- or they don't, and break up.

The word "motivation" points to two different things, which I'm calling aspiration and feedback. Aspiration is how good you feel about doing the task, before actually doing it. Feedback is when you do the task, how much that makes you feel like doing more of it.

My hypothesis is, there is little or no correlation between the two things. So being really excited about doing something, or not, tells you almost nothing about whether you'll be able to keep doing it, or burn out.

If I'm right, then the best life strategy is not to set a goal and sacrifice anything to achieve it. The best life strategy is to cast about trying a bunch of different things until you find what fits you.

Re: Ran Prieur Watch

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:29 am
by zbigi
I completely agree with this take. I've been excited about dozens of things, only to find out they require a ton of work that is quite mundane and boring for me. That's probably extremely common, seeing for example how many people buy music instruments vs how many people continue to play them a year after the purchase etc. I agree that it's best to try out a lot of different things and see where the natural fit is best.