Am I FIREd yet?

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lillo9546
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Joined: Sun May 22, 2022 12:17 pm
Location: Italy

Am I FIREd yet?

Post by lillo9546 »

Hi! I am single, 27, Italy.
Unfortunately, I learned about financial independence late.
I work part time, 25h a week as an accountant, office worker, earning net €10k/year. I am living with my parents, in a double villa, divided, a part for me and a part for my parents; my hometown is all you could ask for, but it's really too hot, and here, everyone waste 2 months of life, to stay indoors, with air conditioning (August/September). Salary/COL ratio is bad, even for specialists, if compared to other European countries.


Current expenses - Current COL: Living with parents.
ITEM MONTH YEAR
Housing €0 €0
Bills €0 €0
Food Home €20 €240
Food Eating Out €20 €240
Taxes: Income Tax (deducted from salary) €0 €0
Trasportation: Car €80 €960
Leisure (Books, Gifts, Devices, Subcriptions) €15 €180
Travel €150 €1800
Personal/Healthcare €20 €240
TOTAL (Cost of living) €305 €3660

Future expenses - Basic COL: Living by myself, same town, own house.


ITEM MONTH YEAR
Housing €0 €0
House Maintenance €31 €365
Bills €100 €1200
Food Home €200 €2400
Food Eating Out €20 €240
Taxes: Income Tax (deducted from salary) €0 €0
Trasportation: Car €80 €960
Leisure (Books, Gifts, Devices, Subcriptions) €15 €180
Travel €150 €1800
Personal/Healthcare €20 €240
TOTAL (Cost of living) €626 €7512

Future expenses - Travel COL: Living by myself, same town, own house. Focus on travelling.

ITEM MONTH YEAR
Housing €0 €0
House Maintenance €31 €365
Bills €90 €1080
Food Home €200 €2400
Food Eating Out (extra is incl. in Travel exp.) €20 €240
Taxes: Income Tax (deducted from salary) €0 €0
Trasportation: Car (extra is incl. in Travel exp.) €80 €960
Leisure (Books, Gifts, Devices, Subcriptions) €15 €180
Travel €400 €4800
Personal/Healthcare €20 €240
TOTAL (Cost of living) €856 €10272

Assets:
Savings: €20.000
ParentsHouse1 (Where I live): current value €150.000
ParentsHouse2 (Future Inheritanche): current value €150.000
Car old Fiat: €2500
E-bike: €400
Friends: ∞

Personality test:
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#1Strategy
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Given this... I was thinking about getting a degree/specialization, or just do anything that would allow me to take a specific, "high paying" job, work fulltime, 40+/h a week, till I reach the FIRE goal asap (based on "Future expenses - Basic COL", which is €8k/year), then downshift working hours to 20/h a week, and work remote at that same job, or just find something else, locally.
I won't consider "the be my own boss" path, because of the "thinking at your business for 24/7", would make me mentally-ill.

So, for this scenario, I was thinking about expat to Switzerland to reach the FIRE goal in 5y or less, and then come back to Italy to just work on a remote job for Switzerland, if possibile, or just search jobs in Italy that would allow me to work remotely! (or just a job which would pay for COL). So in this case I am not pretending to be FIREd, because I don't want to put all my focus into just the "FIRE project", instead, I would like to differentiate with a low energy demand job, which would still pay for my COL, allowing the invested money to grow. I would allow any job that would have a working schedule, less than 4h in 5 days, or 6h in 3 days.

#1Strategy; Fired 35y.o.:
FIRE: will bring 8k a year, but I won't withdraw them.
COL: covered by the 20h job; savings reduced to 10/20%, will be invested.
PASSIVE INCOME: we are not considering inheritance.
JOB: 18/20h a week.
LIFE: I could dedicate 24-8(sleep)-4(job)= 12 hours of real life.





#2Strategy
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As alternative to the #1Strategy, I could have a "standard" job in Italy, until I reach the FIRE goal, in this case, in 10 years. Such as:
- Restaurant Manager: 36+ hours a week, €23k net /year, 18h avaiability.
- Condo Admininistrator: 40+ hours a week, €27k net /year, 24h avaiability.


#2Strategy; Fired 40y.o.:
FIRE: will bring 8k a year, but I won't withdraw them.
COL: covered by the 20h job; savings reduced to 10/20%, will be invested.
PASSIVE INCOME: we are not considering inheritance.
JOB: 18/20h a week.
LIFE: I could dedicate 24-8(sleep)-4(job)= 12 hours of real life.



#3Strategy

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But I can't understand if this is really necessary...Am I am already retired, even with the current p.time, 25h a week job? I will inherit a house in the future, which would bring at least 5k year of passive income, and also, may be I really like Switzerland that it would be hard to come back to Italy. We also know there is the hot summer problem, so I could live 10 months in Italy, and the hotter 2, I will stay in Switzerland, but in such a case, I think the cost of living will increase drastically. I do also like the USA, Japan, UK and Portugal but it's far away from home.

#3Strategy; Fired yet or at 50y.o.?:
FIRE: will bring 8k a year at 50 y.o., but I won't withdraw them.
COL: covered by the 25h job; savings reduced to 20/30%, will be invested.
PASSIVE INCOME: we are not considering inheritance.
JOB: 25h a week.
LIFE: I am dedicating 24-8(sleep)-5(job)= 11 hours of real life. (I can do what I love, starting now)




What would I do in a life without the need of money? What I love to do?
Mostly: Writing, Drawing, Music.
(Someone suggested me to write/draw/play music freelance, and do it as a "WFH job". This makes sense, but I don't know if is there any good to think about making money with your passion. That would be ruined)
Also:
Reading, Travelling, Socialization, Food, Photography, Learning, etc.

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DutchGirl
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Re: Am I FIREd yet?

Post by DutchGirl »

As a software engineer, you might be able to work remote. That could unlock some higher salaries but keep your expenses low.

How are you going to get your own house? Only from the inheritance, or are you (also) going to buy your own place? How much does a house cost? Will you get a mortgage?

rube
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Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:54 pm
Location: Europe (NL)

Re: Am I FIREd yet?

Post by rube »

lillo9546 wrote:
Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:17 am
...I work part time, 25h a week as an accountant, office worker, earning net €10k/year....
This is only 833 euro a month? I know wages are different per country and region, but this seems even in Italy and part-time, low to me for an accountant? Any chance yo can increase this or is this reasonable? Possible working remote for another Italian company from a region with higher salaries?

And you mentioned you didn't want to become self employed, because ""thinking at your business for 24/7", would make me mentally-ill."
But why would you need to think about your business 24/7? Especially if you don't aim to make a massive amount of money, but only somewhat more as you currently make, I would suspect you could do that quite easily with much less hours as you do know and just setting clear boundaries to your customers about you availability. Perhaps you need to get comfortable with this, as it is also about your mindset.
Possibly you could try it out as a side job, offer your services to a small company to do their bookkeeping and just spend a few hours a week on it. No need to worry about the business since you still have your normal job. If you see this is going okay you can expand and ditch your normal job.

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