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@Campitor - Easy answer! Most European countries (not UK) have proportional parliamentary representation of their voters rather than first-past-post systems. Only a minority of people actually prefer populism (people are Gaussian and populists represent the wings). Populists, which are ever-present, usually split like 5-15% on the left and 5-15% on the right depending on what the middle does. Whereas in the US they can join up divide&conquer style and eventually influence an entire party because of the sportsball mentality governing US politics. Thus while populism is a constant European influence that attains power once in a while, it rarely lasts very long because the base is limited. It's impossible to sustain governing power with a 30% base in a proportional representation system but in a winner takes all, it's quite possible to tweak the system and govern from a popular minority. The GOP knows this and made the bargain accordingly.

Norway is special. W/o oil they'd be down to exporting rocks, fish, and smarts much like Denmark. (Look it up. Those are literally the raw resources offered). Norway, unlike Denmark, has way more oil. In a way Norway is like the Middle East... think sovereign wealth fund et al. Also why Norway's GDP/capita is one of the highest of the world. Their fiscal situation => it would be insane to join the EMU.

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@Jacob - The framers of the Constitution naively believed that we'd have a parliamentary system; they thought many parties would arise. Instead we have only 2 parties. Since each State is free to determine their voting procedures, it guaranteed a winner takes all style of voting ergo the 2 party system that drives everyone crazy.

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Hitler was elected with the PR system.

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Hitler was not popularly elected.

The last free election in Germany before WWII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_ ... l_election

The Nazi party came to power by abolishing other political parties.

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Hitler was far more elected than most heads of government in PR systems. He had a stonking plurality, his coalition (with the monarchist conservatives) was obviously the most natural, and there was essentially no other alternative (mega coalition with both the monarchist conservatives and the communists with catholics thrown in for spice?).

Britain with maximum FPTP has been far more mild and stable than any European country of note, something that's close to true even if you only count the period after the war. France and Italy both almost went communist in the first half of the Cold War. Germany was mild after the war too but that was in part thanks to being militarily occupied and simply outlawing its extremist parties.

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If I could only time travel to the Constitutional Convention...

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It's going to be interesting to see the results of the UK's self-inflicted trade blockade with the EU.

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sky wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:06 pm
It's going to be interesting to see the results of the UK's self-inflicted trade blockade with the EU.
Well it would be from the outside :lol:

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nomadscientist wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:05 pm
Germany was mild after the war too but that was in part thanks to being militarily occupied and simply outlawing its extremist parties.
Correct. And they still do that today. In fact, this week a party was banned. There are many restrictions on freedom of expression in Europe that would never get past the first amendment in the US. Then again, we have our own system that makes it virtually impossible for a third party candidate to get elected.

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RealPerson wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:40 pm
In fact, this week a party was banned.
Was there? Which one? I must have missed that piece of news...

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@horsewoman
The group Nordadler was banned by Horst Seehofer in the last few days. At least according to my info. Feel free to rectify if this is not correct.

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@RealPerson that is correct so far, only it is not a political party but a small group of right-wing (neo-nazi) extremists, mainly operating online. They are extremely anti-semitic and suspected of planning terroristic attacks. So while I'm not ol' Horsts biggest fan I'm glad he acted in this manner (even though it was probably motivated by trying to paint over a blunder he made this week in regards to threatening a critical journalist, but that's neither here nor there...).

Your comment made it sound like polticial parties can be banned nilly-willy in Germany, but this is not the case. The process is exceedingly complicated, and it only happened twice since the founding of the Republic. There have been a few attempts since then, but they all failed, due to the many hurdles that need to be overcome on the process.

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At the risk of bringing this thread back to OP Govt of India unlisted 59 Chinese apps for privacy breaches and posing threat to national sovereignty.

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My god another new disease in China. Again. How is anyone supposed to trust claims "not to worry". Is this getting reported in the news elsewhere? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/a ... d=12344704

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Yes, saw it on BBC a few days ago. It's a variant of H1N1 (the Swine flu) which infected about a billion people worldwide back in 2009.

It should be noted that new flu strains originate and old ones reemerge regularly with most of them fizzling out so this not really "news" beyond (dog bites man, plane arrives on time). Mostly vaccines are being cooked up based on a best guess basis of which strains will dominate this year---the northern hemisphere looks at what's in season on the southern hemisphere and prepares for that; and vice versa.

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For a similar panic over an H1N1 swine flu strain that fizzled out, see the 1976 Swine Flu Outbreak. It was notable in that there was mass panic about it being another 1918, tons of vaccines were made and distributed, but then it fizzled out.

The influenza virus has 6 RNA strands in its genome (compared to covid which has one giant strand), and so an animal infected by two flu strains at once can produce novel strains of flu in a way that's not really possible with covid. What made 1918 unique is all 6 strands had to work in combination to make it so deadly. They've tried combining new flu viruses from the 1918 RNA, and it has to have all 6 unique strands otherwise it loses its virulence. There's a pretty cool story about how they remade the 1918 flu here: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... virus.html

Another thing that makes flu different from covid is that flu strains have to compete with each other for survival. Because there's so many strains of flu circulating everywhere all the time, particularly virulent flu tends to die out due to selective pressures from other flu viruses. This is not so much true of covid, due to its lower rates of both mutation and circulation in the general population.

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i’m much more alarmed by the fate of hong kong.

i wish we’d have a more neutrally-titled thread for these subjects, like “china news” or something, which this has evolved to encompass.

i’d start one but not sure if anyone would post in it

because https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_path :lol:

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Lee Kuan Yew off of Singapore once said 'If anyone tries to take me on they know I'll don knuckle dusters and meet them in a cul-de-sac. Its the only way you can govern a Chinese society'.

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