Are emojis hieroglyphs?

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Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Augustus » Fri May 31, 2019 12:24 pm

I'm kind of curious if we're headed back in that direction.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by ajcoleman22 » Fri May 31, 2019 12:34 pm

The short answer is, yes. I work with a lot of Junior High and High School kids and every emoji has very significant meaning.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by chenda » Fri May 31, 2019 1:24 pm

:shock:

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by TheWanderingScholar » Fri May 31, 2019 2:04 pm

Yeah, it has its uses.

Even in old IRC chats emoji's were useful.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by jennypenny » Fri May 31, 2019 2:13 pm

Use your words, people!

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Salathor » Fri May 31, 2019 3:34 pm

I think it's true that they are pictograms, yes. They are not hieroglyphs, which describes (as far as I'm aware) specifically the Egyptian writing system.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Dream of Freedom » Fri May 31, 2019 3:56 pm

I googled hieroglyphs vs pictogram.
Early pictograms were of this nature. But let's say you want to write down a word for something more difficult, like "belief". It's hard to draw a picture for such a thing, so instead ancient people used "the rebus principle". Instead of trying to directly represent concepts, instead they used a small set of standard symbols (hieroglyphs) that represent sounds. The word "bee" in English sounds like the first part of be-lief, and the word "leaf" sounds like the last half. Thus, in a hieroglyphic language, (pictures of a bee and a leaf) might represent the sounds of the English words "bee leaf" or "belief"
https://www.quora.com/Ancient-Egypt-Wha ... roglyphics

And that hieroglyphics are
a writing system of ancient Egypt, Minoans, Maya and other civilizations, using pictorial symbols to represent individual sounds as a rebus
https://wikidiff.com/pictogram/hieroglyphic

So, I think they are pictograms, because they lack the rebus principle.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Frita » Fri May 31, 2019 6:02 pm

Hieroglyphs may stand for individual/multiple phonemes, be representative the the word depicted, be metaphoric, or be used in place of a multiple-meaning word.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.planet ... rmat%3Damp

How will texts with emojis survive for 5,000 years? It seems to be so tech dependent. Can modern kids use technology from 15 to 30 years ago?! LOL

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Jason » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:29 am

Were hieroglyphs universal? Like could you walk into any cave in any culture and they'd have the same representations? Some things like "belief" or "shithead" or "fat ass" I could see being uniform across the cave board. But what about "dinosaur." It could be "dine oh sore" or "diner? sure!" or even "Dinah Shore" although I'm guessing you'd have to have a super visionary cave artist draw her up back in the day. Are emoji's universal? Like a kid in San Fransisco can text a kid in New Dehli with the same emojis? Would it be offensive to text a cow emoji to a kid in India? Do they have Chinese looking people in China in their emojis? Are they different in each country? Or used differently? Or interpreted differently?

For instance, there are two thumbs up - a caucasian thumb and an African American thumb. I always use the latter. But most people I know use the caucasian thumb because well, admittedly, I only text white people. But does an African American use the African American thumb? If I happen to text an African American, would he think it would be cultural appropriation if I used the black thumb? Or just downright racist? It seems more complicated these days then back in the hieroglyph day when people used symbols because they were illiterate and not lazy or trying to hide things from their parents, and despite their differences, everyone generally looked like hell.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by BeyondtheWrap » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:09 am

No, they are not. Emojis represent emotions. They do not represent language. You cannot write instruction manuals or epic poems using just emojis. Emojis are used to specify a feeling, usually held by the person using them, and help give context to whatever sentence is written using language. Emojis are more akin to ideograms and pictograms.

Hieroglyphs are an actual writing system that maps to language. They can represent actual words (making them logograms) that can be strung together to form actual sentences that you can read out loud. In other cases, hieroglyphs represent sounds that can then be put together to form words. Hieroglyphs have a long history, so they were used differently at different times. Can you write an epic poem in hieroglyphs? Yes you can.

Fun fact: most writing systems currently in use are descended from either Egyptian hieroglyphs (such as the Latin alphabet) or from Chinese characters.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Jason » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:44 am

When I get home, I text my wife the house emoji. That's not the conveyance of an emotion. That's a shortcut to spelling "I'm home." There is also a croissant emoji which I would use if someone asked me what I was eating. It does not necessarily mean I feel like I'm a croissant or that I feel like eating a croissant. It's just the communication of data that answers a factually based question.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by C40 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:19 pm

Jason wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:29 am
For instance, there are two thumbs up - a caucasian thumb and an African American thumb. I always use the latter. But most people I know use the caucasian thumb because well, admittedly, I only text white people. But does an African American use the African American thumb? If I happen to text an African American, would he think it would be cultural appropriation if I used the black thumb? Or just downright racist? It seems more complicated these days then back in the hieroglyph day when people used symbols because they were illiterate and not lazy or trying to hide things from their parents, and despite their differences, everyone generally looked like hell.
The norm is that you use the emojis that match YOUR skin color. Not the recipients. Most emoji use (the ones with people or hands at least) is representing YOUR body language, emotion, etc..

A differing example would be if you write something like "Wow, you didn't seem to know about the surprise birthday party at all, you like :o :shock: " with the skin color of the emoji's being the person you are talking to because you are depicting them.

Also, those are NOT African American emojis. They are dark skin emojis. Not every person who uses a phone and has dark skin is an African American.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Jason » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:52 pm

So what thumb do I give The Dalai Lama? It seems like a toss-up.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by C40 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:14 pm

Jason wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:52 pm
So what thumb do I give The Dalai Lama? It seems like a toss-up.
This one.
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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Jason » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:22 pm

Thank you. Now I don't have to spend all that time writing "Hello, Dalai!"

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Campitor » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:14 pm

I don't think we are at any risk of sliding back into picture based communication. Drawn pictures are a way to to articulate a set of ideas or feelings that may be too nuanced, complex, or too long to express in written form when time or audience attention span is too short.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Augustus » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:33 pm

Frita wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 6:02 pm
How will texts with emojis survive for 5,000 years? It seems to be so tech dependent. Can modern kids use technology from 15 to 30 years ago?! LOL
I saw an article in a print magazine with a bunch of them in several paragraphs. A well printed magazine can easily last a hundred years, if we'll preserved a few thousand isn't totally out of the question? I don't know.
Campitor wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:14 pm
I don't think we are at any risk of sliding back into picture based communication.
I'm not sure that sliding back is the correct term. I wouldn't be all that surprised if emojis became a part of the language, and officially recognized as such at a later date. It's already a de facto standard as far as I can tell. In the future, scholars will read ancient articles with emojis all over the place.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by jacob » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:54 am

Augustus wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:33 pm
In the future, scholars will read ancient articles with emojis all over the place.
I've yet to see any emojis in print (maybe I'm just reading the wrong books). I thought the general consensus was that the digital age would be something of a dark age as far as history is concerned. Unless one takes great care to update and maintain digital information, it rots pretty quickly due to incompatibility issues.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by C40 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:52 pm

I think emojis may have a much shorter lifespan than digital information as a whole. The corresponding codes won't make sense any more compared to back when they were simple and the characters like " : - ) " were converted to the :-) image. Now there are so many emojis that seeing the code won't make sense. Also, even right now, emojis often don't work right, as I experienced when my Android iOS became a bit dated (and couldn't be updated anymore) and many of the emojis my friends and potential girlfriends sent me showed up as blank squares. That makes it difficult to interpret messages.

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Re: Are emojis hieroglyphs?

Post by Augustus » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:48 pm

jacob wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:54 am
I've yet to see any emojis in print (maybe I'm just reading the wrong books)..., it rots pretty quickly due to incompatibility issues.
It was seeing it in my wife's print magazine that triggered the question, print material lasts a long time. Given all the younger generations using emojis constantly, seems like not much of a stretch to see them make their way to printed publications eventually, especially as the old dinosaurs die off along with their refusal to modify the language. If it was normal for you since birth, you're probably not going to call it a bastardization of the language. It's us old fogeys who are weirded out by it since it didn't exist in our formative years. Maybe, who knows.

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