Starting a Learning Tribe

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by Jean » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm

It looks like a delocalised Amish community to me (purpose, non reliance on ununderstood technology, community). Why not joining one? Maybe the religious part is just a way for them to filter out posers?

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by Jin+Guice » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:30 pm

Jean wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:13 pm
Maybe the religious part is just a way for them to filter out posers?
Dear Amish God, thank you for Jean, truly the weirdest son of a bitch on the internet.

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by Jean » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:16 am

My remark about the Amish was serious, but this forum is the last place were compliments still provide me an ego boost.

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by prognastat » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:50 am

Or maybe it's the other way around and all the no technology stuff is a way to filter out the posers...

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by J_ » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:26 am

Yes, I like the idea too. We have the advantage here in the Netherlands, the adjacent Bundesländer of Germany and Belgium so dense with people and public transport that it can be possible to have a "do-meeting" (every quarter?) of the year.

We have had now two or three ERE meetings in the Netherlands which were of the hanging out type, they were interesting to hear and meet people and asking each other how they started and organized their ere road.

But Jacobs idea is a next thing, which can possibly give a new swing to develop new ere-skills.

ERE participants who are interested and can teach skills can pm me.

I can offer sailing/boating skills to a group of max 5/6 persons, or how you can build a human generator for electricity, or how I develop/upgrade houses. Things which I do or have done.

In June or July we can have our first do-meeting in Noord-Holland in walking distance of a railway station. In between we can learn from this thread...what we must avoid or take care of...

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by prognastat » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:30 am

Plus public transit/rail is a lot better in that area too making it much easier and cheaper getting around. It's easier getting to another country there than it is getting across the state here using public transit.

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by jacob » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:28 pm

I don't think what I'm proposing is that outrageous or unusual. It's essentially like a Book Club where people agree to read the same book and then meet and comment on it. Except the project is not reading a book but building something. This could be an electric bike as @ffj suggested or a lathe like @Toska2 suggested.

I have actually previously thought about ERE meetups that focused on a small project. What has discouraged me from this is that I know from experience that either the project has to be really small or the presenter has to be really experienced and likely prepare a presentation of some sorts in order to pull it off within the span of the 4-6 hours of a typical meetup. For example, I believe I can electrify a bicycle. However, I don't think I would be able to ensure that I've ordered all the right parts and that everything will go together the first time while I have 7-12 people standing in a circle around me. In addition, I think there's a larger than I like chance that people who are not that interested in electric bicycles would stay away from that particular meetup. In particular, if I compare to ERE meetups where we mostly just hang out and discuss our goals and plans (no homework required), the returning visitor fraction is not that high. The majority of people only show up once. The few that show up every time are also local friends outside the meetups.

I think quarterly, annual, or faraway meetups would compound this issue.

I have thought of running it online in a thread here, perhaps documenting and discussing as we go. I would likely make the thread private. Again, noticing what happened to the book club---it died---this would be to install some of the band-rules^H^H^H^H^Hattitudes that Jin+Guice mentioned.

Point taken that it's probably going to be near impossible to start this with a full compliment of people ... and that if I want to start "Jacob's club for making things out of other things" it will have to start with 1-2 members and a "founding" project before others join in. Perhaps this is the first step or two on the ladder. But I'm definitely interested in a collaboration that goes beyond doing something solo with the help of youtube or doing project X with friend 1 which leads to project Y with friend 2, etc. I'm thinking more like a motorcycle club except instead of wrenching motorcycles, people are wrenching projects.

For the possibility of what I have in mind in terms of groups of people collaborating on new projects that keep changing, see
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjgpFI ... kh9H1muoxQ (hacksmith industries)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfIqCz ... ssCoHq327g (HTME)
These have obviously been going for a while (several years), but they started somewhere.

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by suomalainen » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:17 pm

My reaction to this is it sounds like you're trying to start a friendship circle where only people who like all the things you like can join - in other words, your list of requirements for what a new friend must be is quite...unique. This is the problem I see with your vision of starting such a club:
jacob wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:28 pm
I think there's a larger than I like chance that people who are not that interested in electric bicycles would stay away from that particular meetup.
This means your choices are thus: 1) filter for all the people who like all the projects you like (N=1?) or 2) filter projects and do them with the people who like doing them. 1 seems to be what you'd like to do so that you have continuity of people (i.e., a friendship circle). 2 is what you should do if you are rather focused on the doing of the projects (albeit different folks for each project). And if 2 is acceptable, then you can go out and find existing clubs to fill that need. And perhaps through that avenue you could make friends with someone and maybe they'll want to check out this other hobby you're working on (i.e., motorcycle guy goes to soap making class with you).

There's only so much bandwidth that most people have (what they find interesting, what they have time/energy/money for). To put some perspective around it, what is a project that someone could suggest that you would think "egads, no thanks"?

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by Ego » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:56 am

suomalainen wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:17 pm
There's only so much bandwidth that most people have (what they find interesting, what they have time/energy/money for). To put some perspective around it, what is a project that someone could suggest that you would think "egads, no thanks"?
Being in the middle years of life I find it fascinating to look back at any particular success I've had and decipher the twists and turns that delivered me to it. Often this involved the ability to ask a not-so-dumb question and participate in a conversation with someone who then unlocks a whole new world of possibilities. This is entirely dependent on the fact the our Wheaton levels where bridgable.

How does one get out of the Wheaton basement for any particular skill? Reading, studying and youtubing are valuable for interests that I already hold but they are self-directed so I can press pause or stop reading when the subject turns away from my area of direct interest.

What about the interests that I don't know enough about to understand why I should continue watching? If I press pause I remain ignorant to the world of possibilities. If, on the other hand, I am a committed member of a group who shares my interest in Renaissance Man skills and several members believe that .... a particular type of dance opens an area of the brain to being more creative in unusual ways... My commitment to the group makes pressing pause impossible and I gain a new insight.

I am willing to commit the bandwidth because I know that what I am likely to learn from the group may not always take me directly where I want to go but will usually take me somewhere I didn't know I would enjoy.

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by 7Wannabe5 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:38 am

I think it must be true that there can be a subtle line between very low and very high level of interest in any project or set of projects, because I love HTME , but the Hacksmith site is of negative interest to me. My internal dialogue reaction to it went something like " I already spend too much time and energy watching boys hit each other over the head with transformer toys." If forced to endure creation of some sort of Star Wars saber project, I would feel naturally compelled to force something like this upon other members of group, the next time the baton was passed to me:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUZnUxcd0Bo

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Re: Starting a Learning Tribe

Post by tsch » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:07 am

It seems to me that getting the underlying structure of such meetups would have a big impact on their success.

I am a little fascinated by how well a tightly-run 12-step meeting works. Set aside any notions about the content of 12-step meetings, that's NOT this thread, but look at how successful (ie. well-attended) ones are structured:

- There is a meeting script that a facilitator literally reads. This script welcomes newcomers, states the purpose of the group, and provides for any administrative tasks (service positions to fill, decisions to be made by the group, etc.), and explains concepts important to the group (eg. in 12-step - anonymity, cross talk, the steps, the traditions). This explains concepts to newcomers and continually reinforces the precise definitions for oldtimers.

- The facilitator (typically the "secretary") position rotates regularly, usually every 6 months.

- The facilitator turns the meeting over to the speaker for a set period of time

- Meetings start on time and end on time

- Members are expected to fill service positions (making coffee, setting up the room, cleanup, literature table, secretary, treasurer, etc.). This keeps the meeting running but also ensures that people show up; there's a strong sense that you don't flake on a service position.

There's a lot of other background to what gets people into meetings and coming back. But these little bits of framework appeal to me. The last thing I typically want to do is go to anything described as a "meeting", because usually that means I'm going to sit around at the mercy of whichever blowhards talk the loudest. Good facilitation puts a stop to that. I'm not sure what that would mean in terms of what a meeting of a learning tribe would look like, though.

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