Re: Psychology of Money
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:19 pm
Ah. Got it.
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While I agree about your observation that strategies are popularized by the mass and then abandoned when crisis hits I still think the strategies themselves hold valid points. IE the VTSAX strategy diversifies your investments and eliminates risk of trying to choose stocks yourself.jacob wrote: ↑Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:25 amSection 5 explains much about the popularity of simplistic investment strategies in the FIRE community from YMOYL's 100% LT Treasuries to the current 100% VTSAX strats. Similar graphs could be drawn for other starting years and other asset classes and they would all lead to the same conclusion. After a good run in any asset class, people eventually get around to writing books and popularizing how all you gotta do to be an investment genius is to buy that particular investment. Those stories all end the same way.
Yeah, this seems obvious to anybody who can do the math (IOW, almost everybody on this forum.) So, what is the motivation for accumulating more capital than is necessary to reasonably assure freedom? IOW, past the point of reasonable assurance, any individual would have to be trading freedom in the present for something other than freedom in the future. Ergo, there is some other aspect of money that is being secretly or subconsciously sought through further accumulation, like maybe just becoming a millionaire.jacob wrote:I'd submit that most people here who are in runaway mode(*) will end up somewhere in the high-millions (AFTER adjusting for inflation) but that's if and only if they live to 95+ (which both of these admins did).
Maybe they are looking for better mating prospects?7Wannabe5 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:32 pm
Yeah, this seems obvious to anybody who can do the math (IOW, almost everybody on this forum.) So, what is the motivation for accumulating more capital than is necessary to reasonably assure freedom? IOW, past the point of reasonable assurance, any individual would have to be trading freedom in the present for something other than freedom in the future. Ergo, there is some other aspect of money that is being secretly or subconsciously sought through further accumulation, like maybe just becoming a millionaire.
The essay is accurate in its nuanced picture of wealth. I had similar thoughts when I read the portion on consistency.7Wannabe5 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:32 pmSo, what is the motivation for accumulating more capital than is necessary to reasonably assure freedom? IOW, past the point of reasonable assurance, any individual would have to be trading freedom in the present for something other than freedom in the future. Ergo, there is some other aspect of money that is being secretly or subconsciously sought through further accumulation, like maybe just becoming a millionaire.
Part of the reason people like Grace Groner and Warren Buffett become so successful is because they kept doing the same thing for decades on end, letting compounding run wild. But many of us evolve so much over a lifetime that we don’t want to keep doing the same thing for decades on end. Or anything close to it. So rather than one 80-something-year lifespan, our money has perhaps four distinct 20-year blocks. Compounding doesn’t work as well in that situation.
There is no solution to this. But one thing I’ve learned that may help is coming back to balance and room for error. Too much devotion to one goal, one path, one outcome, is asking for regret when you’re so susceptible to change.
There is a difference between anonymous admiration and attractiveness/perceived suitability (allegedly). First example I pulled up, but I don't think the findings are unique.classical_Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:44 pmFrom the articleThe paradox of wealth is that people tend to want it to signal to others that they should be liked and admired. But in reality those other people bypass admiring you, not because they don’t think wealth is admirable, but because they use your wealth solely as a benchmark for their own desire to be liked and admired
https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-r ... ve-successIlliniDave wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:49 pm, and where women ultimately do most of the selecting, being a potential partner "of means"/establishment, is apparently important in selectability.