I will do a presentation about ere at a green community meet up. Input requested !

[Jean]

Green: Environmentalism and happiness. (ERE alternative: a focus on aesthetics (e.g. minimalism, zero-waste, sustainability, spending time in nature) and self-discovery (e.g. creating art or music, doing yoga, meditation, exotic (to them) forms of travel))

My gf draged me to a green community meet up.
The leader (in a same way that jacob is a leader) is clearly yellow. That's Vivian Dittmar.
The meet up as a similar form to the erefest, in that is is freeform, except we have to pay 50 euro, because they need to rent a place,and then we have to pay 150 euro to get someone to cook for us for 72hours. Ok rant part over
I would really like to do a presentation about ere.
I will present it as a way to limit negativ ecological impact, while increasing freedom to have meaningfull pursuits, and from evil job.

I think i will quickly explain the reasoning behind personal planetary allowance. Then calculate fi number with it an median german salary, and then, have people draw a wog.
Any suggestions?

[7Wannabe5]

If I was planning to present an argument for personal planetary allowance to a Green crowd, such as you described, I would review "Radical Simplicity" by Jim Merkel in conjunction with "ERE" and Jacob's "Stoa" presentations. Also, maybe some examples related to 2000 Watt Society concept. Since the "Radical Simplicity" calculations can get pretty grim, I think that maybe also coming up with a similar more cheerful calculation along the lines of "How much free time would you like to make art, work in garden, engage in political activism, do yoga, vagabond travel, etc.?" might help to present it as a Win/Win. It might also be critical to make clear that this is not towards arguing anything resembling that you support lowering the minimum wage to $5/hr. In fact, I would tread light on the entire concept of capitalism. Maybe present Vicki Robins house-hacking solution for earning income through investment rather than Index Fund SWR; this would be coherent since very much like your own solution. A humorous anecdote about using the pipe as your toilet will play better with Level Green crowd than Level Blue or Orange crowd. You could extend this to necessary acreage per human shitting in a forest such as you own, and this would naturally lead to concept of fair and safe share of planet for dumping all forms of waste such as CO2.

[jacob]

What 7wb5 said.

Also, you may draw inspiration from http://verdant.net/ which was one of less than a handful of my original inspirations (there wasn't much around 25 years ago). IIRC, everything on that page is Green-approved.

Talking about "coming together as a community to help each other fight the big bad economy and save the world and all its people from environmental destruction" hits all the notes for Green. If you can tie that together and present it in an authentic way, you got yourself a winner.

Some key point you should be prepared to answer:
How do we include those who lack privilege? (Green would often rather do nothing than leave the marginalized out.)
How do we organize our community to implement these ideas? (With Green or at least the WL0-5 equivalent, every initiative starts with forming some kind of circle, group, community, ... Green humans are very very reluctant to start anything on their own. Stuff like "This is what YOU can do today..." doesn't play well.)
How does this fit within the concept of regenerative sustainability? (Answer: It provides a practical and actionable path "from here to there")

If you do mention FI, prepare to answer:
Aren't you contributing to the capitalistic machine if you're saving 25x your expenses? That's far more money than most people earn. (Yes, you should be prepared for bad math.)
What alternatives can I invest in that's responsible according to my values?

Add: This also means that in terms of WOGs, you should not aim for the ideal of "the competent man" who can do everything on their own. Instead, suggest a WOG under the same principles but for a community in which all the forms of capital are covered from different members and organized in a way so that goals and activities are homeotelic.

[jacob]

Add2: If you don't want the environmental angle, another green-compatible theme would be giving up the status-based rat race of Orange to find "inner peace" and live a "simple life" (surrounded by bucolic pastures, etc.). Emphasize the reduction of stress from living way below your means and not having to worry about money. Focus on better health, increased time with family, getting in touch with your feelings, finding your spirituality, and "experiences in nature". Anything that fits with the romantic idea of the good life in the countryside. Aesthetics is important for this particular part of green. Think zero-waste importing steel straws from New Zealand ... not mixing your own soap in a cement bucket. (Actual question: "What if I don't want to make my soap out of chemicals but only use natural products?" Answer: I'm sorry, but soap is literally made out of chemicals!) If you think this will play better with the audience, I suggest working in the lesson from @sky here viewtopic.php?p=71227#p71227 ... Another way would be to contrast and compare "two families". An orange one who pursues status and ends up with stress and debt vs A green one who lives the simple life and does good in/for the world.

Add3: I should also note that people (the TedX crowd) who pay EUR200 are in my experience/mind not so interested in hard solutions. Rather they're paying to dream big dreams for a weekend and to leave on a happy note. This means talking more about the results of the process than "how to get started". Many (not just Green) get quite uncomfortable if you tell them that there's something simple they could easily do "to do better". Too much cognitive dissonance.

Add4: Something I have not quite mastered myself but something to keep in mind. When speaking to a random assortment of adults, remember that the average adult's ability to comprehend ideas corresponds to what a bright 6-8th grader is capable of understanding. Most politicians actually talk at that level with a few notable exceptions. This also goes for the concepts (graphs and probabilities are too complicated for the majority of people). Spend most of your time developing a really solid 6-8th grade-level foundation. Then spend the last few minutes talking about fancy/advanced stuff like WOGs. Those who are interested/understood that part can talk with you further after the presentation. The rest will be left feeling smarter.

[Jean]

Thanks for the advice.
There will be about 100 hundred person at the meetup, but i have no idea how much will show up at my presentation. I will start by a round asking why they are interested to see how far i can expect to go.
I reread verdant articles and sky's story.

The people i met from this community, and german greens in general are usually relatively frugal, and walk the talk. I think a lot of your apparent frustration with greens might come from the us context. Like what you describe correspond quite well to the people that where at that yoga retreat that hapened where i was i north america a few years ago.
Most member of this community sctually read books

So my plan will be as follows.

-presentation round (if not too much participants)
-my story (dissatisfied with academia, savings because i hate to waste, read your book, save more, buy a house, shit in pipe, fi)
Tell how it allows me to have a lot of time to spend in nature [strike]trying to find animal and kill them to eat them[/strike], nurture relationships, and plate games in my steam library.
Explain how vlcol is great because it means you arent making mama gaia sic, and don't have to care about what the market wants.
Explain that if you happen to have a fixed job in addition to vlcol, you might be able to have enough to start a permaculture, yoga retreat, forest school community much earlier than you think (show fi equation)
Make wog together to learn of to identify what to change to reduce col.

[Jean]

Well, fitting everything i wanted into a 90 minute slot was hard.
I think my attendees got it.
I presented the number to sustainability, and also saving rate vs year to fi.
The sustainable level appeared very low to many. Mostly due to rent. All attendee didn't own a car.
They very much liked my toilet storied.
I think people liked that it was combining sustainability and freedom.
I also stated that communal living was an obvious way to reduce wasteful expenses.
Most important point is that to reach the sustainable expense level, just copying someone else wouldn't work, due to discrepencies beetween peoples need.
Overall, it was good to do it.
In terms of mbti, i woud say it gravitated very much toward isfp infp, but not exclusively.