jacob wrote:7wb5 can tell you more.
I should really make a more diligent effort to figure out who owns copyright to "Discards: Your Way to Wealth" by Dan Quinn and Mike Lebda, Uni-Press, Chicago,1977. I'm pretty sure that Dan Quinn's interactions with Mike Lebda (the Discard Market King of Chicago) must have influenced his perspective towards systems-thinking. One of the over-riding themes of this book is the difference between the manufacturing economy and the discard economy, and this is very much analogous to the co-evolution of producers, consumers, and decomposers/scavengers in ecological system. For example, the fact that a grain based agricultural system is much less subject to decomposers/scavengers than a yam based agricultural system likely started us down the highway to the current polycrisis. IOW, it can be argued that the patriarchal-plow possibility of saving/hoarding a commodity for the relatively long run* has led to our downfall. IOW, human savers=bad&stupid AND human scavengers/decomposers = good&intelligent.

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*Unlike the one cold/dry season at best "saving" potential afforded by more historically female horticultural and gathering activities.
**Unlike the lesson offered by the artificial short-term boundaried environment of the marshmallow test, etc.