A Journey of Mindfulness--the Remaking of Life in Midstream.

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@suo:

:lol:

I am curious. I ran through my memory bank of "man taking shirt off" images, sorted for "around age 60 or older" and came up empty on "truly visible abs", although the early retired 56 year old who spent a great deal of his free time biking (but unfortunately had no truly visible books in his home :cry: ) kind of came close. His abs weren't visible in in the sense of "can easily be counted", but they were still (or again) flat and functional enough for the purposes of the kind of 1970s era sexual style/moves that are perhaps best associated with the artwork produced in conjunction with the 1971 release of the album "Sticky Fingers" by the Rolling Stones. Since I dabble a bit in amateur sexual historical theory, and this 56-year-old-bicyclist's sex style was just a bit off for someone born in 1959 (Late Boomer era, U.S.), I asked him how old he was at the time of his first sexual encounter and he replied "13", so I was once again strongly affirmed in my hypotheses.

Anyways, IDave and I are just good old frugal-people-book-group/salon-buddies, but I did come up with a scheme that might make good use of this resource ( his abs) for our mutual benefit. The two of us can go out and about together in mutual-wing-human formation. He will subtly flash his abs, thereby attracting the entire pool of Level 6-8 females away from the pool of Level 6-8 males, leaving that field wide open for me. You may wonder what benefit IDave might derive from this scheme? Well, clearly, his communication within his journal indicates that his sense of responsibility is holding him back from partaking in short-term encounters, but when he observes all the females who are willing/wanting to sexually objectify him even though we were pretending like we were a couple when we first arrived at the venue (like they might even calculating "She's too chubby for him." as they make their bold and brassy assertive well-preserved-kitten-with-claws-sheathed moves while I visit the restroom and play a few rounds of Angry Birds and/or provide live feed to forum), his perception may shift more towards, "These ladies be sharp-eyed adults capable of contracting on clear terms." Then after IDave exits with one (or two?) of the Pilates-Kittens, I will see if I can get one of the recently divorced Smile-Sweetheart guys to buy me some free Thai food. So Win-Win.

Of course, IDave will have to let me know what era/style of female partner(s) he would prefer for brief encounter, Pilates-Kitten circa 1975 was just a first rough quite generalized approximation, so I can appropriately advise him on style and the manner in which he will perform the subtle flashing of his abs. Actually, I guess for some style/eras of females, the flashing wouldn't even have to be subtle, I was likely projecting a bit of my preference with that, but it is clearly also the case that Pilates-Kitten '75 is not very likely to go for a gentleman wearing a hacked off wife-beater. No, I'm thinking it's going to have to be something like "pulling the classic knit sweater off over his head, because it's warm in the venue, and the soft underlayer is a bit clingy, so it tries to come off with the sweater, revealing his abs above the dark denim through which his heavy leather belt has been buckled just loose enough to provide for just enough exposure to cause the Pilates-Kittens to question whether he is running comando and dart their glances even lower. We might need to do a few practice run-throughs in the produce aisle at Whole Foods before hitting prime time venue.

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About a month ago I was wondering what to do with myself and I thought, to hell with it, I’ll write a trashy romance novel and make bank. It’s only now I realize my 6’2”, 185lbs, introverted, intelligent, divorced, and thoughtful mountain man who would serve as the love interest is actually iDave.

But seriously, iDave, why are you holding out on us ladies?

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ERE After Dark.

It’s getting hot in here.

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@Biscuits and Gravy:

IDave is INFJ: The Protector, type which has NiFe in first/second, so they value warm relationships, but they are long-term strategic in their approach. They often do well with ENTP or INTP, but because female NTPs are pretty rare (2.4%,1.7%), and male INFJs are quite rare (1.2%), and T often vibes more stereotypically masculine than F, it's much more usual to see male ENTP (4%) with female INFJ (1.6%) pairing. Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan in "You've Got Mail" is the classic ENTP male and INFJ female romance, whereas the classic ENTP female and INFJ male "romance" is Fleabag and The Hot Priest :lol: . The classic INTX male and IXFJ female romance is well-known and regarded as "golden", because featured in many of the novels of Jane Austen. INTP female and INFJ male is quite rare, so much so that both my book knowledge and the internet failed at coming up with a classic pairing, but I think Sigourney Weaver and Mel Gibson in "The Year of Living Dangerously" might be an example, because those are Weaver and Gibson's own typings and the characters they played weren't a huge reach. The classic ENTP/INTJ "bromance" would be Saul and Walter in "Breaking Bad." Finally, as I'm sure INTP you and INTJ suo are aware, the classic uber-hawt female/male pairing of that mix is Amy Farrah Fowler and Sheldon Cooper from "Big Bang Theory."* ;)

* Just kidding. Hermione Granger and Draco Malfoy obviously have more sexual tension.

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@7 I…. Don’t watch enough TV/movies to get your references, sorry. I just caught up on Seinfeld. What I’m hearing is INTP ladies are rare and that/my type would be a good match for iDave. I’m glad no one came back with a “ladies aren’t entitled to have iDave, gawd!” sorta comment, which woulda been fair. And I was mostly joking. You do you, iDave, just know I’ma need you to sign some paperwork before my romance novel featuring basically you becomes a bestseller and eventual Hollywood blockbuster.

I’m pretty sure Suo is INTP, but on the cusp of being an F. I also recently found out he has 8 IQ points on me. So hot.

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b&g wrote:I’m pretty sure Suo is INTP, but on the cusp of being an F. I also recently found out he has 8 IQ points on me. So hot.
Yeah, I can see that. I just thought Suo had self-identified as INTJ. Maybe he could even be eNtj if he seems emotionally warmer than typical INTP, but still towards the decisiveness/agency brought by Te. My son is high IQ INtP, so also warmer than Fe in 4th spot would usually vibe, but he can also sometimes seem like Sherlock Holmes smiling endearingly for a moment when he asks his housekeeper to bring him his favorite dinner before he returns his focus to book or violin.

The stubborness of Ti is quite different from the assertiveness of Te. Te gives instruction. Ti doesn't take instruction. You can see this with IDave even though his INFJ Ti is in third spot behind his warm strategist (NiFe.) He does exactly what he is going to do and does not ask for or take instruction from any of us at all ever. Kind of like a very slow moving old school ship with an engine well-stoked with wood. He said he doesn't have enough testosterone to deal with the likes of me, but it's really more towards the differing manner in which we process dopamine and serotonin that would likely put us at odds if yoked like two oxen. However, I do like to pause my somersaulting to everywhere for a moment and wave "Hi!" or "Merry Christmas to You Too!" at the ship as it continues to cycle around on its own grand and widening procession.

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I thought when I took those tests many years back I was either INTP or INTJ depending on the day/which version I took. I just remember "I" was the strongest. But maybe FJ showed up on occasion.

I think the reason I float along mostly solo is because it's all so complicated and as 7Wb's analysis clearly indicates, I'm facing astronomical odds. :lol:

I do maintain availability as a loaner though, while hanging out on The Island of Misfit Old Dudes.

B&G--can't wait to read the book. :D

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What if you're using the Kava to treat undiagnosed anxiety?

In my own case, I learned anxiety can express entirely somatically. The body will suffer from physical symptoms, yet offer no cognitive awareness of the source.

So then actions that relieve the anxiety (ie kava) feel especially rewarding, without a clear reason. It confuses motivations.


I wonder if considering an anxiety framework, like Pittman's rewire your anxious brain, would offer benefit to you.

I'm also wondering if some kava would help me take edge off.

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IlliniDave wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2024 7:49 am
I do maintain availability as a loaner though,
Don't give up. I'm sure there are ladies out there interested in getting a good deal on a used car.

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I thought when I took those tests many years back I was either INTP or INTJ depending on the day/which version I took. I just remember "I" was the strongest. But maybe FJ showed up on occasion.
Hmmm...I'm usually pretty good at remembering these things, and your preferred activity collection and general vibe swings more INFJ or maybe INFP. INFJ is also one of the nerdy types most likely to pass for normal. In fact, the main male character in Sally Rooney's super popular literary fiction book-nerd romance, "Normal People" was an INFJ who could pass for normal better than the INTJ female book-nerd character. Now that I think about it, another example would be Robert Redford's character in "The Way We Were." So, don't misunderstand, the fact that INFJ male is rare duck does not mean the type is romantically unpopular.
The Island of Misfit Old Dudes.
This is where almost all of your (and my) general demographic are hanging out these days. Mostly this is due to the internet compounding the trend towards individuation which has been accelerating since the beginning of the modern era. If you add on the baggage, both good and bad, that most of us have accumulated by mid-life, it becomes very difficult to fully match and merge. I think most or many people who do remarry at midlife do it quickly enough that they haven't yet fully accommodated to being a single human in the 21st century. They don't fully realize that choosing to remain single is no longer fail mode.

OTOH, I suppose that it is also possible for comfortable or even pleasurable accommodation to remaining single can form another sort of rut. However, I believe that somebody is going to have to invent some entirely new form of partnership to overcome current trends, Even polyamory works better in its solo form than when previously monogamous couples open up their relationships. I've read a couple books by Level Turquoise thinkers on this topic and it is my impression that their models for post-post-modern "marriage" are asking too much of the female. IOW, these models won't work, because they are too much towards telling the female what she "should" want or need. However, the fact that these books were written by currently single Boomer generation men is likely contributive to this "fail." If there is to be a new design for "marriage" at Level Turquoise and/or the second half of the 21st century, I believe it is going to be invented by somebody more of this type (NeFi) and demographic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-91vymvIH0c

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Forget this INFP and INFJ shit. These are not the acronyms we need to worry about. For us it's ED and STD. And if we chose to remain honest, and can say no to either one, we still have a fighting chance.

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IlliniDave wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:38 am
At the moment I'm in a 2-week rest period. It is a planned thing although I'd probably be cheating on it if not for a shoulder injury/issue I developed during hideout season, while fishing of all things. I bought a new, larger minnow bucket and the first day with it happened to be an extra good day and I hoisted it up out of the water probably 75 times. That's one of those muscle memory things and I didn't make any allowance for the fact that the weight would be > 2x what I was used to so I wound up wrenching something. In the intervening 2.5 months is hasn't got any worse, but hasn't get any better.
This reminds me I had something similar, a shoulder pain that started during a rest period. I like to think my body noted that I stopped doing pushups for a week and then put one of my shoulder muscles in repair mode. In my experience this repair takes longer as I get older, at around 50 it's now usually 2 to 3 months. I can use the muscle in repair mode, there's soft pain that tells me to take it easy during the repair job, and sharper pain that tells me to stop. Not sure if this line of thinking is anatomically correct, but as a mental model, it works for me.

Thanks for your journal update, and I offer my best wishes for a happy year's end.

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Scott 2 wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:18 am
What if you're using the Kava to treat undiagnosed anxiety?

In my own case, I learned anxiety can express entirely somatically. The body will suffer from physical symptoms, yet offer no cognitive awareness of the source.

So then actions that relieve the anxiety (ie kava) feel especially rewarding, without a clear reason. It confuses motivations.


I wonder if considering an anxiety framework, like Pittman's rewire your anxious brain, would offer benefit to you.

I'm also wondering if some kava would help me take edge off.
Hey Scott,

Yunnow, I can't dismiss that possibility. When it comes to guitar, there's almost certainly a performance anxiety aspect to it. I think I used the term "self awareness", but another way of saying it is there's my inner critic that looks over my shoulder constantly reminding me: you didn't finger that chord cleanly, you're getting ahead of the beat, your picking hand is too heavy, etc. That stuff compounds and leads to a lot of stopping and restarting, and ultimately as it accumulates over time a lot of frustration. Kava doesn't quite silence that voice, but it detaches it, or at least that's my sense of it.

As far as wider anxiety, I've always been uncomfortable speaking to a group/presenting, but my job taught me to muddle through. And the introvert side of my nature rebels against busy social situations which wear me out quickly. But beyond that I don't feel like anxiety is a chronic issue. But that doesn't mean anything. I may have coped with it for so long it feels "normal". I'm not familiar with any frameworks/techniques to alleviating it, aside from meditation when that was a consistent practice of mine. But maybe once I'm clear of the holidays and looking towards next year I look into Pittman, at least.

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7Wannabe5 wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:13 pm
Hmmm...I'm usually pretty good at remembering these things, and your preferred activity collection and general vibe swings more INFJ or maybe INFP...
You might be right 7Wb5. I really don't remember other than I think it was a type that was pretty common on here. Could have been an "F" in there. I do grok your thoughts about what happens to mature folks who after reentering singlehood after being paired for a good while can find solo life pretty fulfilling and get to the point where they adopt an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it mindset". I think early next year I'll reach the point where I'll be single again for as long as I was married, though I can't say I was strictly solo for all of those years. Life generally hasn't gone the way I expected at any juncture, but so far it's been good.

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delay wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2024 5:31 am
This reminds me I had something similar, a shoulder pain that started during a rest period. I like to think my body noted that I stopped doing pushups for a week and then put one of my shoulder muscles in repair mode. In my experience this repair takes longer as I get older, at around 50 it's now usually 2 to 3 months. I can use the muscle in repair mode, there's soft pain that tells me to take it easy during the repair job, and sharper pain that tells me to stop. Not sure if this line of thinking is anatomically correct, but as a mental model, it works for me.

Thanks for your journal update, and I offer my best wishes for a happy year's end.
Thanks delay. The present injury happened during an active period of both strength training and a period of active lifestyle activities on top of that. My concern is that it will take a few months of inactivity for it to get back to good as new. I've had two older relatives experience falls between Thanksgiving and this past Monday, one 69 and one 79. Both are now using walkers to get around and neither is showing signs of graduating to getting around with just a cane yet, much less getting back to walking unaided. That really reinforces my desire to maintain strength and balance. I can still do a lot that doesn't include one arm while the shoulder heals I suppose, but that will leave me experiencing a certain amount of frustration. The experience of watching them has made me put overland trailblazing in wooded country as a new modality to my hiking. reputed to be an outstanding way to maintain the exact kind of core and leg strength to make one less likely to fall, and more resilient to loss of balance and stumbling from the inevitable trips and falls that come with the venture. I just have to avoid getting myself stuck in a remote place with a broken leg or ankle, haha.

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Tai Chi and similar exercises can be good for maintaining and improving balance and coordination.

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chenda wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:46 pm
Tai Chi and similar exercises can be good for maintaining and improving balance and coordination.
Thanks chenda, that's an interesting suggestion that I'll look into. It's always nice to have some indoor options to complement my general bias towards getting out and letting nature provide obstacles to overcome. And although it's a little early for me to start talking about 2025, I've been giving some thought about bringing some meditative/mindfulness practice back towards the front of my day-to-day habits, and I believe Tai Chi contains some components of that as well.


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Henry wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:46 am
Tie Shoes>Tai Chi.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/26/health/ol ... -strength/
I tried and failed. I got the sock on but when I reached for the shoe I began hopping about doing figure of 8s.

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Henry wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:46 am
Tie Shoes>Tai Chi.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/26/health/ol ... -strength/
No comment on the value judgement versus Tai Chi, but I saw something essentially identical to that also called an old man test. I can do it with all my shoes/socks except one pair--ankle high trail shoes with hook eyes at the very top--too hard to get the laces hooked with shaky balance and odd angles. As a humorous caveat, the first time I've wrenched my lower back in quite a long time was doing the inverse of that--I'd got the shoe off okay, but the sock was caught around my heel and I tried to just give it a good hard tug to get it off and twisted something. I was stiff and gimpy for three days.

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