That is a good point. I think the "moral component" is essentially a vague description of the "failure mode". It explains WHY we're doing something. It's the go-to for anyone who doesn't understand the entire philosophical system if asked what's important.clark wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:15 pmSorry if I dragged the discussion off-topic. I do believe that there is a religio-spiritual-moral component of understanding the prospects of ERE2 that is sorely lacking in these discussions, but I also know why it's best to avoid these topics, as they tend to create the same level of flame wars as political topics.
Roughly,
traditionalism: family, loyalty, faith, traditions
modernism: wealth, success, cutting-edge [technology]
postmodernism: community, inclusiveness
You can see this pattern in the failure-mode of ERE1, when people decide to eventually abandon most of the system/philosophy to focus exclusively of accumulating a much money as possible. The modernist values of fatFIRE wins them over.
The values of ERE2 of post-consumerism (a kind of post-postmodernism)---subject to refinement and clarification ---would be: multi-skilled [competence], efficiency (not effectiveness). and creative integration. You can see this on the forum in terms of what makes people go "ooh and ah" although we rarely push the values explicitly.