grundomatic's journal

[7Wannabe5]

@jacob:

Interesting about Vicki. I am a 7w6. My youngest sister is a 7w8, and she very much liked YMOYL, but one of the main reasons I am having difficulty promoting ERE with her is that her friendship circle includes a lot of people who inherited a lot of wealth, so she keeps arguing Picketty back at me.

I think you may be right about personality type trumping as one approaches (or approaches and recedes in wild oscillation as a 7) self-actualization. However, I "see" the FIRE space as being occupied more by *NTJ than INT*. Extroverted thinking or clearly displayed competence is more towards being a consistent "earner." INTP is more like somebody who would be an absent-minded, broke-azz yet frugal chess champion living alone in a garret*. Though I suppose in the current tech-driven economy, an INTP might be better renumerated than in other eras.

*Wow! I just realized that "I" actually currently do live alone in an actual garret. Clearly hanging out on this forum has had the effect of moving my functioning more from e to I, rather than P to J, which might have improved my chances of actually making some serious $$$

[daylen]

INTP is more like somebody who would be an absent-minded, broke-azz yet frugal chess champion living alone in a garret*.

Can confirm for N=1. This would probably be me if I didn't get along with my mom so well. Also doesn't hurt that my sex drive is probably in the bottom 0.1% for my age.

[grundomatic]

Oh, I have referenced the enneagram book I have checked out from the library the past couple days, for sure. (Have I mentioned my library ebook strategy? I check out way more books than I can possibly read in 21 days, because I get overzealous. Then I put the kindle on airplane mode and "return" all the ebooks so others can use them. As long as my kindle stays offline, I have forever to read those books. EP detour was intentional for flavor.) I was thinking that 7Wannabe5 could easily be a descriptive username for me, though in the recent past it could've been 7-need-to-drop-the-self-nagging-1-shadow instead. I resonate most with the 7w6 description, since we're talking about it.

Anyhow, I think the "design" part of ERE lifestyle design becomes more important the less like the "FIRE archetype" one is. There are fewer examples to copy. This is part of why I bothered starting a journal. Sharing my inner feelings does not come easily nor naturally, and I really dislike documenting anything. However, ERE has improved my life enough that when it came up that there was a need to make it work for people other than high-earning tech bros, I felt compelled to contribute. That if I start a journal and it helps just one ENFP lurker sort their shit out here in Rational Land, then I've made the world a better place. Usually I do that (make the world a better place) in person, with way less typing, thinking, and mental modeling, and way more socializing, joking, and laughing. Well, a better place by my standards, anyhow. I have a meme that sums it up for anyone that PMs me and requests it. More to say but out of time, I gotta go read to DW's class.

[7Wannabe5]

I like your e-book strategy. I must admit that no matter how many freebies I have piled up around me, I still spend a trackable amount of money on books.

way less typing, thinking, and mental modeling, and way more socializing, joking, and laughing

Makes me think (feel!) like I should start saying "yes" when the other teachers/tutors suggest margaritas. I need to expand my Friends of Pleasure circle.

[grundomatic]

MMM reminded me about the library, and maybe somewhat ironically ERE causes me to buy books that aren't available there. I've done interlibrary loan for some of the rare books, but there's no keeping those past the due date...they'll throw the book at you! I have no regrets, however. Though the cost is higher than $0, the value is typically there for books recommended on the forum.

I find the balance of self-development to be challenging sometimes. When shoring up weaknesses, challenging myself, or getting out of my comfort zone, I can lose myself. In my dogged pursuit of FIRE (plus other stresses), I completely squashed some things that previously came easy. Now I have a library book about fun on my desk. How did I ever get to this point? I guess learning the lesson of expanding the self without losing oneself or trying to be someone else is a valuable lesson, too.

This is part of why I bothered starting a journal.

Forgot to mention that I like being both a student and a lab rat.

[grundomatic]

I seem to need a concrete, external reason to "do" much of anything. EREfest has been the thing to get me to actually do stuff. No meals until midday? Guess I'll give this whole intermittent fasting thing a try. I've been skipping breakfast for weeks now and I like not feeling like I have to shove food in my face from the moment I wake up.

I like playing guitar, but don't really enjoy playing by myself. Like a sucka I volunteered to provide campfire sing-a-long music (no quality guarantees, sorry y'all). Knowing I was going to have to do that, I was able to force myself to play enough to at least build some calluses back up on the fingertips.

Today I'm on a tear getting things ready--decluttering the car, gathering the gear, cooking meals for DW to have while I'm gone, printing insurance cards, downloading maps, etc. Normally, I very much dislike "doing tasks" (much happier to "socialize", "daydream", "play", etc.), but no problem today as they are in service of a something with an external deadline. DustBowl is counting on me to pick him up tomorrow, and I have to be at Ft. Dirtbag this weekend if I want meet everybody.

Is this a flaw to be overcome, a problem to solve? Or do I simply game my tenancies in order to actually get things done? Want a clean house? Invite people over. Want to work out? Plan a ski trip or join a frisbee league. The obvious issue here is that doing things with most people involves a cash expenditure. I suppose really all I need to do is "DIY" my social planning rather than taking the market solutions, just as others around here build physical things rather than buying them. Start a band, start a weekday game league, plan an epic hike with friends, or whatever. Having been alone during the day at the house for over a month now, I find myself kinda lonely (not bored). I should probably leverage that to actually accomplish things. Extravert problems.

[ertyu]

I vote game rather than overcome. If this involves DIY social planning, this might not be a bug but a feature: use the commitment to gaming as another thing that will force you to "game" things -- in this case, it will force you to take active action on game league / hike / whatever plan.

[avalok]

Yeah, turning these things to your advantage/getting more from them is a smart move. You could see it as gaming, but it is also realising more yields from the same thing.

Have a great time at the festival!

[Western Red Cedar]

Is this a flaw to be overcome, a problem to solve? Or do I simply game my tenancies in order to actually get things done?

Another vote for leaning in to gaming your behavior to support goals and see results. I'm not sure how much reading you've done on habits, but a core recommendation among those authors is to understand your personal behavior and motivations to help build habits over the long run.

[grundomatic]

I think you (all) are right. @avalok I really like thinking about it as getting more yields from the same thing. I did a hike with someone last Friday and we are going to make it a recurring thing, and are already entertaining some sort of other collaborative project. Also, @Jean will be dropping by later this month, which means I will be forced to clean up the guest room clutter before he gets here. I messaged a friend to tell him about ebay sales I made for him, and now he potentially wants to clear more stuff out. I think I'll probably find my schedule filling up with socializing and the related alone tasks if I continue to lean into this.

EREfest was an absolute blast for me, which should not be surprising to anyone reading my journal. Almost everything I would want to say about it has been written in the fest thread, so I don't really know what else to write. Such solid people.