Jin+Guice wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:44 amAh the communality of the military interesting. When I think of a current communal society, I think of the Amish. From what I've observed, the cost of communality is individualism, as in there is a very strict social code and if you break it you're out of the group. For you color theorists, is this Green or Blue?
Anyway, that's the thing I try not to bring up to the hippies, who for all their communal beliefs like a fair amount of autonomy. But maybe they're just people raised in an individualistic society trying to come back to a communal one? (or as @Lemur said, people from an Orange society trying to be Green).
Lemur wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:38 pmI want to say Amish / Military is definitely Blue. Collective + Strict Social Code and Hierarchy. Green is also collective like blue but values harmony whereas Blue is more about order.
Blue values are ingrained in basic training and carry with you throughout your service - an example might be if one person is late to formation, then everyone does pushups. Not just that individual.
jacob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:55 pmBoth and also purple, the so-called "cold colors". Break the code and you'll be cast out albeit in different ways, each way reflecting the opposite of the highest held value. The individual who refuses to play along will get sanctioned according to what the group values.
Purple values family bonds, so out = disowned by the family
Blue values faith, so out = excommunicated from the faith community
Green values loving inclusion, so out = cold shoulder from the group
Ironically, extreme individualists likely don't care that much about the punishment, but for the collectively oriented person who didn't conform, these sanctions would be bad news indeed.
The military is red/blue. Breaking the military code results in a dishonorable discharge: excommunicated (blue) and loss of honor (red).
So, do you know any examples of successful green communities?OutOfTheBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 11:00 pmDefine successful… If I understand Green correctly, The Notre-Dame-Des-Landes ZAD (Zone à Défendre/Zone To Defend) comes to mind. 2012-2018, mostly. At its height counted a community of up to 100 squats/collectives with various characteristics. Result: the project of building an airport at the area definitely shelved. Result: participants' lives changed through community experience, praxis and struggle. Result: Inspiration for other ZADs, blocades, ecology/political initiatives in France and elsewhere.