Is there a name for this phenomenon?

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Also you can replace 'God' here with anything really. The source of the universe, the source of your life, your neurons, or you can simply let go of things and view it as a sort of mental training.

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Anxiety and arousal are simultaneously very near things yet mutually exclusive. In any situation where your arms and legs aren't confined by plastic wrap, autonomy or agency allows for the possibility of converting anxiety into arousal through acquisition of control or competence. Absent autonomy or agency, the ability to internally relax oneself enough to release anxiety is often mediated through "trust", whether that trust is in God, the Universe, the Emperor, or just the other human who is dangling you over the deck. This is one reason why it is sometimes hard for those of us raised in affluent society that promotes "rugged individualism" to comprehend that some might actually find the social cohesion of a strict authoritarian hierarchy pleasurable.

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7Wannabe5 wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:48 am
Anxiety and arousal are simultaneously very near things yet mutually exclusive. In any situation where your arms and legs aren't confined by plastic wrap, autonomy or agency allows for the possibility of converting anxiety into arousal through acquisition of control or competence. Absent autonomy or agency, the ability to internally relax oneself enough to release anxiety is often mediated through "trust", whether that trust is in God, the Universe, the Emperor, or just the other human who is dangling you over the deck. This is one reason why it is sometimes hard for those of us raised in affluent society that promotes "rugged individualism" to comprehend that some might actually find the social cohesion of a strict authoritarian hierarchy pleasurable.
I feel obligated to bring this conversation back to sex now.

Some women I have been with - including my wife - have been very into BDSM and are 'very' submissive. I never understood the appeal much until it was explained to me that by being completely submissive to a loving and trustworthy partner one can 'let go' and surrender themselves and this brings about a state of deep peace and relaxation, especially afterward.

I imagine this is, perhaps, the same process.

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M wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:17 am
For example, are you afraid of getting fired? Why? Then you will have no money. Why are you scared of running out of money? Well then you might be homeless. Why are you scared of homelessness? Well you might freeze/starve to death then. So the fear of death is why you are scared of being fired.

You can trace back most fears to the fear of death.
I don't think that's right. When you ask most people about their fears related to old age, most of them are not afraid of death per se, but of being incapacitated or riddled with some horrible illness (at least that's the answers I've heard in Poland). So, people are mostly affraid of pain and of discomfort. Similarly, when people are afraid of losing their jobs, they aren't afraid of ending up dying on the streets, but of having to endure great discomfort of having to go through unemployment, job hunt, potentially having to work in some shitty job and having lower life standard. People are mostly really loss awerse and the vision of losing their current comfort level is distressing for them.

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zbigi wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:54 pm
I don't think that's right. When you ask most people about their fears related to old age, most of them are not afraid of death per se, but of being incapacitated or riddled with some horrible illness (at least that's the answers I've heard in Poland). So, people are mostly affraid of pain and of discomfort. Similarly, when people are afraid of losing their jobs, they aren't afraid of ending up dying on the streets, but of having to endure great discomfort of having to go through unemployment, job hunt, potentially having to work in some shitty job and having lower life standard. People are mostly really loss awerse and the vision of losing their current comfort level is distressing for them.
Yes - this is why I used the 'most fears' keyword here. :lol:

Death is a form of loss of life. A loss of mobility or comfort are also forms of loss. In fact, a lot of people go through these losses of comfort and mobility and perhaps loss of some pleasures in life before death anyway, regardless of financial losses.

We can go through these sorts of contemplative exercises to help surrender the fear in both cases.

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life is good, and fear very probably prevented my life from ending several times.
I love my fear, it allows me to try new things without dying.
One very noticeable symptom of depression is absence of fear.
This is true to the point that if i deem a fear irrational, i can recall of how it was to be depressed and get rid of the fear.
On the opposite, getting into new situations that spawned new fears was a great step out of depression.

I think ancient gods were personification of emotions.

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People who have had Near Death Experiences (NDEs) usually report positive experiences of joy, meeting deceased love ones, a feeling of coming home, a warm loving presence of loving of bliss.

But a minority report hellish experiences, including that their whole life and loved ones were a illusion, that they are utterly alone in the universe, that nothing exists but them, deeply disturbing stuff.

Unfortunately there does not seem to be much correlation between good and bad experiences and good or bad people. Murderers and rapists in jail have reported positive NDEs.
Jean wrote:
Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:15 am
I think ancient gods were personification of emotions.
Jean if you are interested in Polytheism this academic might be of interest to you:

https://henadology.wordpress.com/

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If you don’t believe in free will, then you can be kinder to yourself. I find that even small bouts of mindful meditation to be useful. About 5 minutes worth. Perhaps even preferable. I think I chase long-term well-being even if it means I’ve to experience pain in the short run. I’ve come to appreciate that pain as part of the process.

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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/1 ... 0psychosis

Found an interesting paper on some case studies where meditation caused psychosis. The takeaways are:

1. Open awareness, guided, and group meditation is less risky than focused awareness or self-transcendence.
2. Keep to less than 1 hour a day.
3. Make sure you eat enough and get enough sleep. Mixing it with fasting or sleep deprivation can be dangerous.
4. Social isolation is a risk factor for adverse effects.
5. Pre-existing conditions are obviously a risk factor, so if you have those, stick with the safer forms of meditation first.

Now what I find interesting is that a lot of religious traditions (and even Plotkin) encourage you to push the limit by meditating for hours a day, mixing it with fasting, etc. Like Plotkin has you do a multiple day fast in the wilderness, etc, which is most certainly going to induce an altered state of consciousness.

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