Advanced Retroadaptics Podcast

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Thanks @johnsmith! :)

Episode Four: The Lifeboat Flotilla is up.
Here's the yt.

Stories help us make sense of our place in the world, and can help us think about our purpose, our mission. I think industrial civilization is a large ship on the ocean that has just struck an iceberg. Most people are scrambling about, trying to figure out how to save the ship. I no longer think the ship can be saved. I am trying to find and help the other passengers who are also diligently attempting to build a lifeboat flotilla that we can move to. The lifeboat flotilla will not have a fully stocked bar and nightly extravagant entertainments, but it will have the distinct advantage of not being at the bottom of the ocean soon.

The flotilla is why I bother rolling out of bed in the morning.

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Episode 005: The Wandering Engineer is up. Full text transcript at that link as well, for the readers. :D
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How I applied the principles and strategies of episodes 1-4 to my own life, and transformed what was an idea for a webcomic into an exercise in authoring my own life. By pursuing frugality, skills, autonomy, and nonconsumer praxis, I was able to gracefully navigate a layoff and embark on a multiyear (?) hyper-lowcost round the world trip based on helping out and building skills on various ecoprojects across the world.

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And now for something a bit different, episode 6:
http://tylerjdisney.com/blog/2022/5/3/a-conversation-with-a-belarusian-bazookaman

YouTube link is pending... It'll either be tomorrow morning or in a month.

Arti heard I had a podcast and went "Great! I have some stuff to say. Let's record Tuesday, yeah?"

At first I thought it'd be totally off topic and not relevant... But then we had it and it's not totally off topic after all. At any rate, he's got some interesting stories.

And, good God, I say 'like' a lot when I'm not scripted. Gonna work on that.

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Back to the main theme: Episode 7, The Hypercompetence Loop.
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In this episode I talk about how skill acquisition and anti-consumerism can lead to increasing levels of personal freedom in your life. But what if you don't stop once you've got your freedom? What if you just... kept developing skills? What if you use an ability to drop into stoke-fueled flow to spin up a positive feedback loop, spiraling your personal system into an advanced stage of hypercompetence? What could this mean for your life, your community, the lifeboat flotilla?

Some annoying pops because for some reason I thought it was fine to not use my popfilter. :roll:

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I really enjoyed listening to your latest episode! I'm now listening to the older ones.

I have been struggling with intrinsic and extrinsic motivation with respect to skill development. I hadn't realized how even small external drivers like praise on projects or a written goal can decrease motivation. I love being at a place where the only reward I need is doing the activity itself and this is probably the way one can be most consistent with making progress leveling up with a skill.

I am still working on rewiring myself in regards to external/internal motivation after 16 years of education and 6 plus years at a corporate job. At both I excelled at maximizing for the external rewards that were set for me- grades and pay respectively.

I certainly have intrinsic drive for some activities, some of the time- athletics, mechanics, art. I want to see how far I can go maximizing for intrinsic motivation, I see this as perhaps the low-effort way to creating the positive feedback loop you refer to.

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I particularly liked the end of the episode, where we get in to motivation. My add-in is that the theories of motor-learning have been going in different directions recently. These theories make sure to point out they are about learning complex movements and not complex decisioning, optimal theory in particular highlights the creation of virtuous cycles using autonomy, external cueing factors, and positive feedback to increase learning potential, in case you are interested in looking into it. Quick summary from the paper:
Predictions of the OPTIMAL Theory
1. When temporally associated with skill practice, conditions that
enhance expectancies for positive outcomes trigger dopaminergic
responses and thereby benefit motor performance
2. Enhanced expectancies and autonomy support contribute to efficient
goal-action coupling by readying the motor system for task execution
3. Autonomy support facilitates performance by enhancing expectancies
4. An external focus of attention directs attention to the task goal,
enhancing goal-action coupling
5. An internal focus of attention impedes performance by directing
attention to the self
6. Movement success resulting from an external focus enhances
expectancies for future success
7. Enhanced expectancies and autonomy support facilitate motor learning
by making dopamine available for memory consolidation and neural
pathway development
8. Challenge, in the context of prevailing success, elicits a potentiating
dopaminergic response that contributes to learning beyond success or
challenge alone.
9. Higher expectancies facilitate efficient switching from the default mode
network to motor networks associated with the movement skill
10. An external attentional focus facilitates efficient switching from the
default mode network to relevant motor networks
11. An internal attentional focus impedes efficient switching from the
default mode network to motor networks associated with the
movement skill
12. Generally, conditions that optimize performance facilitate learning
Graph of OPTIMAL learning cycle
Image

Link to paper:
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/1 ... 0999-9.pdf

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Getting into the smaller minutiae of the skill ratchet and skill acquisition, a second thing to talk about is idea the building of work capacity for a skill (the ability to do an amount of work of a certain type). When you are a complete newbie at something, you are swimming in this big sea of uncertainty. To start, you might be only able to do 1 repetition of the thing, and it won't be necessarily "good". It will feel awful and weird and not great. But if you keep practicing, you can do 1 repetition 3 times a day or something like that, then eventually 2 repetitions at one time, and so on. And so this is how you have to build your skills. It starts out with you just being able to do a little at a time, then will slowly grow with repeated practice (best way, at least with physical skills, is multiple smaller sessions per day with breaks in between).

The work capacity will then generalize a bit, and the more work capacity you have, the easier it will be to start working on other skills, and even easier if those new skills have commonalities to skills you have already been practicing. It is something like a "spillover effect".

So I would argue there is a bunch of scopes to this "hypercompetence loop". I'll try to describe from highest to lowest, where improving one of the smaller scopes will improve everything up the chain. Though really, all you can do is practice, and everything else I've written here is just bucketing for understanding meta/systemic impacts.

General Competence: -- Measure of how many skills you have developed, and to what level, and your Overall work capacity + Specific Work Capacity

Overall work capacity: -- ability to perform work of any sort, and keep at it longer with new work types

Specific Skills: -- These will all exist at a certain level, and with each comes something like "Specific Work Capacity", which is the amount of work you are able to accomplish at this one task without burning out your body and/or brain, and also a "Skill level", which is the measure of the ability to perform the work.

Skill Practice: -- This is the day to day method(s) which you use to train skills further. Notice I didn't call it "studying" because studying is generally an inactive practice like reading a book or watching a video, which may help you understand aspects of a skill (and is often necessary to help), but you progress skills by practicing them, engaging in the specific skills, and using certain learning methods to help you do this "efficiently" or "actively".

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Slevin - really interesting stuff, thanks for posting it. For some reason the 'thinking about skill acquisition theory' portion of my brain has been full since I posted that episode... but I'll eventually loop back on the next pass of the #skillz conversation. I think I've been taking my current framework or understanding of 'skills' and taking it for a test drive, seeing how it works with the real world and how I'm trying to arrange the rest of my WoG. Once I've got some more realworld experience I'll be ready to intake more.

...

Episode 8 is up. Here's the yt. It's a conversation with Ludwig, the host/founder of the permaculture community I was at in Scotland.

Episode 9 is in the works, back to more of the core theme/development of AR theory.

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Great episode! A lot of wisdom shared. Helped me clarify some of my very muddled thoughts about making scavenger walking kind of the new core of my permaculture practice, as opposed to (once again) buying some property.

His comments about self-aware self-care within the context of active community being like caring for tools was also spot on and on some level consistent with what Hanzi suggests in terms of importance of providing individuals with opportunities for therapy at higher level of organization.

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