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@7wb5 - A certain minimum amount is required to pay friction costs. Liebig also holds for the money component. For example, it's much harder to be 100% self-sufficient---growing tomatoes and selling them to pay RE taxes---than 80%. Another feature of ERE is that conversion-losses between different values created are minimized.

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@jacob:

Right. Like it would make more sense to set up an English Language Tax Help Table with a cash donation jar in order to pay your property taxes rather than selling your tomatoes to pay your taxes, except for the fact that then you will probably get another stupid violation ticket.

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@jacob
Conversion-losses is a great term. They are essentially what I meant with money providing the optionality. Because money can buy more than just stuff, it can buy opportunities by it's mere presence. Living in Fargo, ND options for learning how to sail are limited (ie the soil is lacking nutrients to grow sailers). Which is fine, learning to sail isn't on my mind today. If it becomes a huge priority in 5 years, I'm still gonna have a hard time doing it where I grew my ERE garden. So now I need to modify the situation if I want to learn to sail. Having money to "fill in the gaps" while the garden is being transplanted for new goals provides opportunity.

For the more fickle minded people like me, how de we design a system for future outputs which are known unknowns? Outside of learning to adapt the system to minimize these conversional losses.

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@wolf, excellent post, thanks for the inspiration. You're beating me at my own game.

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@classical_Liberal
Thank you. I, too, think that adapting to systems is an important skill. Money, I guess, is some sort of energy, as you said by „stored life energy“. Altough money can buy you optionality to a certain degree, it cannout buy you wisdom, experience, mental and personal growth. I‘d prefer to have both. The first one (money) is easy to quantify and manage, therefore it‘s more convenient for me to control it in spreadsheets and bank accounts. But it doesn‘t provide me with the kind of wisdom I‘d like to learn and I‘d like to experience, e.g. living semi-ERE, part-time.

@jacob
Thank you for your feedback, I‘d appreciate it. From a money point of view I guess I‘m further ahead then deep ERE thinking, regards to Wheaton levels. I‘m hoping that I‘ll learn a great deal of more wisdom from „In over our heads“, because that‘s my real challange in life. To grow, to experience, to gain wisdom, to learn and to look beyond current knowledge. Like fish once said „Money is a saved problem“, I‘m kind of accepting that step by step. To be honest I can only say that now. In the past, when I had not clue about ERE and when I had a JAFI over 3 and almost no NW saved, money was indeed a problem. So, I‘m deeply grateful, that I‘m healthy (Prio #1) and that I‘v got some money saved to have that freedom to think about such topics.

@7Wannabe5
Thanks yor the comment! I‘m gonna watch out for „black-holes“ ;-) I‘m risk-averse, so my problem is that I have to many balls up in the air, but maybe the opposite. I feel very comfortable in my comfort zone, but like to go more into my stretching zone, especially when it comes to socializing. That‘s a continious challange I‘m trying to get better. I‘v experienced in the past that I can learn many new things when I accept new roles (partially and time-bound), e.g. project management. That, go to the end of my comfort zone and try to enhance it, I‘ll try to do more often in all areas of my life. And if I did a step to far, I‘ll center myself and become the observer. Observing is so easy, that it‘s a challenge for me (INTJ) to not do it. Anyway, always appreciate your optimism, wisdom and funny way to describe things!

@2Birds1Stone
Thank you very much. Yeah, there was some really good conversation going on, especially in black_son_of_gray‘s journal. And your journal is also very inspiring to me. I‘m looking forward to every post in your journal, because it is happening so much in your life. And it is great that you share that with us. Moneywise you are ahead of me. So I can learn many things, how you handle the transition from fulltime work to … who knows. :-)

@Jin+Guice
Thank you. I doubt that, that I can beat you at your own game. :-) You are playing the semi-ERE-game too well in real life. When I‘ll decide to change my fulltime work to a semi-ERE-lifestyle, I‘ll let you know. Till then, please don‘t stop posting about it! One must become semi-ERE and that takes time, courage and practical application in real life. Any story about that, either success stories or lessons learned, is very much appreciated.

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Great to see this update wolf! I love that you're focusing less on the money/tracking side of things in your journal (It appears it's a solved problem to you now), and now you're onto the hard stuff - What to do with your life. Ha ha!

I too am having a realisation that money isn't all that important (a bold statement, I know) and in many ways it's the easiest part of FIRE/ERE to solve for. I think I'll take a leaf from your book and track money less, so that my attention can be directed into more important things - Meaning, purpose, hobbies, part-time job (eventually) etc.

Keep up the good updates please, we're all learning a lot from your observations!

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Hi Wolf!

Yours is one of the journals I follow so.. thanks for sharing!

I found this:
wolf wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:33 pm
I measure my mental well-being quarterly, by using the Warwick-Edinburgh Mental Well-being Scale
Very interesting!

I used a custom made "happyness indicator" before.. I'll check the numbers to see what I get from them..

I read the paper and I found particularly interesting the validation data the paper provides: it allows you to put yourself in a context and that looks nice.. I'll give this indicator a go :)

The paper talks about evaluating the last two weeks, but I'll prefer to track more often by now.. I feel I'm not capable of making a good avaluation of two weeks.. maybe I start every day, or twice a week (friday for workdays and sunday for weekends?)..

I wonder how often do you track it..

Anyway.. Thanks!!

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Really useful analysis on ERE from both yourself and black_son_of_gray. I had gotten caught in a bit of a rut thinking becoming FI was the solution.

I just used the Warwick-Edinburgh Mental Well-being Scale and scored much, much lower than I was anticipating. I will dig into this more myself but are there things you do after your quarterly analysis if you score low on this scale yourself?

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Yes, I try to connect the good, neutral and bad results of my Mental Wellbeing-Scale with past, present and future.
To understand this better, I'll give a short description of my quaterly review, status and outlook (called QURSO).

It consists of three parts.
Part 1: review and status of important areas in my life (see list below)
Part 2: Mental Wellbeing-Scale
Part 3: outlook of important areas in my life (see list below)

To each of these areas of my life I collect/brainstorm at least ten events, issues, ideas, possible improvements, weaknesses, lessons learned, etc.
- highlights/lowlights from the last 12 weeks (I do track them weekly in a few short sentences)
- work
- health, fitness
- relationships, social life, family and friends
- ERE & finances
- discipline, habits
- leisure time, play, hobbies, interests
- spirituality, transcendence
- satisfaction with life overall

So, usually I get a good idea of the good, neutral and bad results from my Mental Wellbeing-Sale. And I try to improve things, if necessary, meaningful, etc. and if it would align with my web-of-goal.

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Every few weeks I pre-cook my lunch for work. That has become such a stable routine now, so I'd like to share it.
Typically I cook a plant-based meal, such as "chili sin carne". And I cook at least eight portions.
It is based on dried beans, that I buy in big bags. Therefore the price per kilo is very cheap.
I start with soaking those beans overnight. In the next morning I cook them for about 60 minutes. Parallel I cut onions and carrots and cook them in a pan. When it is all cooked, I mix it up and add a tomato sauce (made out of tomato paste and hot water) and add spices. I divide it into four food containers (containing eight portions) and pack it into my backpack, because I don't use a fridge or freezer at home. I go by bike to work (50 minutes). After arriving at work I store those 4 food containers in the freezer at the kitchen, which can be used by employees. I heat my pre-cooked food in the microwave. Usually I eat "chili sin carne" with tortilla-chips.
If I add up all costs, one portion costs approximately 2 to 3€ (depending). So I save at least >5€ per work day, if I compare it with eating out (what is pretty usual). That's my one big warm meal per day. Typically I budget for food and drinks (only green tea and tap water) with 80€ per month.
That pre-cooking routine feels normal for me but must look pretty weird to outsiders. What would they think, if they would know that I transport 8 portions of food by bike in my backpack to work. I suppose, that nobody else does this at work, because I know what food is stored in the fridge and freezer typically in the kitchen. But my routine for pre-cooking looks great to me :-)

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@wolf Lunch routine

Impressive. This is really badass! And no fridge or freezer at home? My hat goes off to you. Jacob should have some ERE award for you (and for the animal). Your food cost is incredibly low.

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Thanks RealPerson.
I do own a fridge, but it is used as a multifunctional cupboard :-)

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Becoming a Renaissance Man #01

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The title of this post is „Becoming a Renaissance Man #01“. As the sequence number 001 indicates it will be hopefully a continuous journey. I’ll plan to write several posts about it. For now I can’t say exactly when and with what regularity. Maybe you wonder what leads me to set up a program like that. Well, I’ll explain late. In addition to my own personal journey, I hope, that I can enrich this forum with this input.

So what’s the background of all this. Of course Jacob’s book inspired me a great deal of the Renaissance Ideal. I’ve read it in 2017 for the first time. Since then I re-read it every year (and I plan to do so in the coming years). Due to his input and the discussions in this forum I pretty much changed my linear life of an usual employee to a nonlinear life. So the groundwork for “becoming a Renaissance Man” has been made.

Just recently I finished reading “Atomic Habits” by James Clear. He made a great job in describing practical steps, which would lead toward a habit-based life. The book resonated very well with me, because I favour the result-oriented approach as same as the process-oriented approach. One main topic of his book lies in the beginning. He described two different approaches. He uses three layers (circles) with identity in the core, processes (habits) in the middle and outcomes on the outer circle. Usually people wishes for certain outcomes, but forget to define an identity. James Clear suggests a different approach, called identity-based habits. He suggests to start with the identity and then define habits (processes) around it, which would lead eventually to favoured outcomes. That made sense to me as well.

So I thought about it intensely and figured out, that I’d like to give it more than just a try. After some reflection I came up with the idea, that only the Renaissance Man as an identity would make sense in my situation and with the context I live in.

Why did I chose the Renaissance Man (or polymath) as an identity? There are several reasons:
  • First: ERE is an important part in my life. And as you know, ERE is based on the lifestyle of a Renaissance Man.
  • Second: When I think of the future (next few decades), I’m certain that the Renaissance Man would be best suited to deal with the challenges in life, work, etc.
  • Third: After several years in the work force, I’m certain that I don’t want to become a hyperfocused specialist. I’d like to be Generalist, aligned to the model of T-Shaped-Skills
There’s that: the WHY to become a Renaissance Man.

Next, I’d like to lay out the basic foundation HOW I’d like to become a Renaissance Man.
I start with a picture, which shows the four influencing factors of the To-Be-State. My Status Quo is a starting point. On the other side it’s okay to think open-mindedly with a greenfield approach. From where do I get ideas an inspiration? Of course from my personal experience, but also from Renaissance Man role models (dead, e.g. Leonardo da Vinci, Alexander von Humboldt, but also living, e.g. Jacob and others here on this forum)

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My second picture of today’s journal post shows the combination of James Clear’s identity-based habit approach with the modules of my Web-of-Goals. They are based what Jacob describes in his book as “human capital and personal assets”. So I got technical, social, emotional, economical, ecological, physiological and intellectual personal assets, defining modules of my Web-of-Goal. I added three more modules. I can learn many things from role models and dead/living examples of polymaths, therefore I added polymath skills. In addition to that personal development has been always a big part of my life. That includes topics such as ego-development and personality types. The third module could seem a bit confusing to you. I called it language (literacy). That includes (non)verbal communication skills, writing, reading, speaking, German, English and programming languages. A clear and precise language is needed to think, write and speak of ideas in general.

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And that is the end of my first post #01. I guess in a forum like this (NT-dominated) I’m not the first one to have such an idea/goal. So if you have any feedback for me, it is very well appreciated. I can’t say what it’s going to be, but “becoming a renaissance man” is important to me.

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Very nice post. I need to digest and reread what you've wrote tomorrow.

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wolf wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:37 am
The third module could seem a bit confusing to you. I called it language (literacy). That includes (non)verbal communication skills, writing, reading, speaking, German, English and programming languages. A clear and precise language is needed to think, write and speak of ideas in general.
Only one language cannot completely satisfy a person's requirements. When you switch languages it is as if you take up a different pair of lens to look at the world through. Which is why it's hard to empathise how dull knowing only one language must be.
One can learn languages at different levels of proficiency (read, write, speak or understand) to suit a purpose.
In Hindi, Marathi and English I can do all the four above. I can read in Russian and Sanskrit but may not understand everything. Can hold smalltalk in Russian but won't chose to willingly identify as a polygot. Language is just a tool. I wouldn't identify with a power drill or scalpel.
Why did I chose the Renaissance Man (or polymath) as an identity? There are several reasons:
While it is tempting to emulate the renaissance ideal, it is uneconomical for most. It'd be great to do my own plumbing, painting, woodworking, metalworking, tiling, be my own electrician, mechanic and what not, it's simply cheaper where I live to pay someone to do it for me.

My web of goals
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Wealth of stocked food grains (food security)
Wealth of knowledge
Wealth of accumulated capital/money
Wealth of progeny (children)
Wealth of domesticated animals
Wealth of industry and courage (risk-taking)
Wealth of social relations
Wealth of primordial physical strength
Really enjoying your posts. Waiting for #002.

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Thanks for the reply fiby41.

What you wrote is the reason I added language as one of my modules of my web-of-goals.

When talking about the renaissance ideal I'm aware that everybody imagine something different of it. At this stage in my journey I don't think of doing my own plumbing, woodworking, metalworking, etc. First, because I don't need to at the moment. Second, because I also count in the economical aspect of it. I have already insourced many activities, such as cutting my own hair, cooking and preparing food, repair my bicycle, fix my computers and counsel/reflect/advise myself.

You mentioned your web-of-goals and it's quite interesting to view. How did you come up with these areas/modules? And how do you deduce activities, habits, processes from those? I'd like to focus on the process, rather than the outcomes. So I gotta have the outcomes in mind and deduce processes (habits, activities, etc.) from them. What's your approach?

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I'm interested to see how you (or perhaps it's better to say your approach) to the Renaissance man lifestyle works out. I've been frustrated by my attempts, but I try to do too much, too fast, and focus on failures instead of successes. I think you have a more balanced approach and I look forward to reading about your forays into generalism.

Re: your previous post about cooking all at once.

I used to do a similar thing in grad school. I'd cook all my food, put it in bags and a backpack and then bike it to the bus I took to the city where my school was 80 miles away. I was also the only one using the fridge, which was good because I filled it with food since I was living in my student office half of the week. Unlike you, I really hated batching my food, so I don't to do it anymore.

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wolf wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:02 am
How did you come up with these areas/modules? And how do you deduce activities, habits, processes from those?
These are the eight types of wealth personified by the eight forms of Lakshmi, the Goddess of Wealth. At this juncture, only the first three levels have their altars open for my worship.
I'd like to focus on the process, rather than the outcomes. So I gotta have the outcomes in mind and deduce processes (habits, activities, etc.) from them. What's your approach?
Always be learning
Always be lifting
Always be earning

These are the ways that the Tridevi, Trinity Goddesses of knowledge, strength and wealth accept worship.

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Becoming a Renaissance Man #02

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In my post #02 I write about how I‘ll aproach the barriers of change.
It is based on Jacob‘s book „Early Retirement Extreme“, chapter 1.2, page 12-14.

As Jacob writes in his book, the following variables can be used to overcome the barriers of change.
1. Increase dissatisfaction with present situation
2. Strengthen vision of the future situation
3. Build a plan to get from the present to the future
4. Lower the perceived cost of the plan.

Increase dissatisfaction with my present situation
I have to ask myself honestly with what I‘m not satisfied at the moment. Many aspects of my life are quite good, but in order to get where I want to be, I need motivation. And that motivation comes partly from a dissatisfaction of my present situation. Currently I have no framework in place, which guides me. By that I mean an overall life guidance. Yes, I got some systems in place, e.g. ERE, Finances, Family, etc. But I don‘t live by a framework, which is based on an identity. Due to the missing framework I don‘t have a definite scope. I can‘t say what should be definately out-of-scope or should be in-scope. When I found out about ERE, I had some purpose. And to be honest I focused the first few years more on the financial part of it. The positive side-effect of this is, that money is (currently) no problem any more. One could also say that the money problem is solved, but I don‘t like that absolute statement, because it isn‘t certain for alltime. I‘m also dissatisfied, in the context of a renaissance man, that I focus too much on salary work. It‘s an „activity“ I do full-time and it is not balanced with other activitities I‘d like to do. My financial progress is solid, but my non-financial topics, e.g. hobbies/interests/social etc. are stagnating. I‘m a bit depressed when I compare my way of life with the life of a (modern) Renaissance Man. In addition to that I don‘t feel many flow-moments anymore. When I decided to start ERE, to define milestones, to set SR goals, to work towarks something in the distant future, I was overwhelmed by all the aspects of it, but that has ebbed. I read much about Renaissance Man and I think of it as well, but I do too little to become one.

Strengthen the vision of the future situation
What‘s important here, is that I visualize all the positive aspects of the life of a Renaissance Man. Of course everybody has a unique interpretation what a Renaissance Man is and what one does. So I gotta also visualize the future situation. I can do that by reading book and stories about dead and alive Renaissance Man. That strenghtens also my intrinsic motivation to become one. I ask myself what would be the life of a Renaissance Man look like. I would be a more interesting life. It would be a more balanced life with many different parts, aspects, domains and areas. My life would be more flexible and less fragil. I could easily adapt to changing circumstances and challenging situations. It would be more than just financial resilience. Risk mitigation would be skill-based, not money-based. Leading a life of a Renaissance Man leads to a multi-stage life, which is predicted to become more important for persons living and working in the 21st century.

Build a plan to get from the present to the future
My plan consists of an identity, processes (like habits, project-activities, routines, rituals) and several moduls in my Web-of-Goals. Most of all my plan is based on habits. I‘m a person who does many things regularly, therefore I favour habits. Positive habits must be obvious, attractive, easy and satisfying. It is a process-oriented approach. I become what I do regurlary. Outcomes are a result of my processes. That‘s part of the plan. I reflect myself, the plan and the process from time to time. That‘s the second important part of the plan: self-reflection, if I‘m on track. I also appreciate and process feedback from you all in this forum. From Ray Dalio‘s book „Principles“ I learnt to be (hyper)realistic and to follow a dream with great determination. But I don‘t neglect the importance of goals. Achievable goals can be motivating too. If you progress towards them and if you achieve them, you‘ll be proud. So, I‘d like to use the best of the two approaches (processes and results). With that I hope to improve the success rate of my plan.

Lower the perceived cost of the plan
I start from the Status Quo. Where else could I start from?!. The higher the cost of the plan, the less the success rate. Therefore I plan with small, incremental steps and improvements. One step at a time. I brainstorm actions, measures, Todos, activities, habits and goals that make sense to me. Everything I decide, set or define must be achievable. I do what creates value. If something creates value, then the benefits are higher than the cost. Whenever it is possible I‘d like to look out for investments in my future self and I try to avoid cost, which have no positive impact. In order to lower the cost of the plan, I‘d like to catch „2 Birds with 1 Stone“ ;) , e.g. get others to pay me for work, where I can learn something new too. And also very, very helpful is ERE. In Jacob‘s book there are several ways to lower the perceived cost of the plan.

I hope that what I wrote was not too confusing and not too abstract, but I must say that it‘s challenging to write all my thoughts about that in Englisch. I wanted to, because „language“ is another module of my web-of-goals.

By the way, I use a two-digits sequence number for the „Becoming a Renaissance Man“-series, e.g. this one is #02, because that is my usual approach: underpromise and overdeliver. It would be great, if I‘d make it to #99. Well, one post at a time, I guess.

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Another great post @wolf.

I've been pretty adamant about my hatred for SMART goals. Implicitly this means goal oriented behavior in general, because I beleive SMART goals cause one to become overly goal focused vs process focused. I think this leads to many people forgetting that it's the process towards goals in which life is lived. Hence focusing on goals and measurements (or the idea of smaller goal post inside of larger goal) gets in the way of happiness, which leads to failure of goal because the person doesn't like the chosen process/measurements.

I'm going to use the batch cooking example, because @J+G commented about how he hated batch cooking, you, OTOH, loved it. Now, a goal may be to create a low cost, robust, renaissance style food/eating system. I have no problem with a general goal like this. It allows for experimentation in process. A SMART goal would be one that includes specifics, measurements, and a timeline. For example, I will batch cook my meals weekly, go to local market and only purchase ingredients needed for that meal, waste no food, spend less than $25 per week, and stick to this for 6 months. This is great... if it turns out someone loves batch cooking.

I would argue other effective means to the first, non SMART goal exist. One could purchase staples and spices, then go to local market biweekly and only purchase loss leaders, choose to learn to cook meals with whatever these varying ingredients happen to be. Or one could do the same with staples and scavenge food and learn to cook with those ingredients. Or one could choose to only cook with what they can grow or trade for, etc.

Through the experimentation above, without specifics or measuring points, someone can choose the style that is most appropriate to their situation and preference. If the original goal was SMART and batch cooking related, a person like J+G will become frustrated and may just give up. "ERE is impossible!" This is why I think the true definition of renaissance man has to do with experimentation in process, vs goals. The flexibility that such experimentation creates inside of a lifestyle leads to Renaissance behavior.

Looking back at the ERE book, I see why @Jacob decided to avoid specific goals or approaches to ERE as much as possible. There are so many. Yet, we still have to be conscious of most people (me included up until about a year ago), who are simply wondering what the mechanics of living on 7-8K a year look like. ie a "How to guide". It's no small feat for a Wheaton 2-3 to even open their mind enough to believe it's possible to do this, even more difficult without concrete examples of how people are doing it. So some examples are necessary, yet simultaneously we must avoid pigeonholing what ERE or Renaissance behavior is to those specific examples. Not an easy task for any person to undertake. The one thing I am certain of, overly goal centered behavior will not work. It leads to the fascination with certain goals which are easily measurable, like "the number", and ignores process as it's difficult to measure.

Anyway, this turned out to be a bit longer than I anticipated. I look forward to more updates!

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