BRUTE wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:29 pm
so clearly this former dystopia was libertarian, right?
If this is an acceptable limit to relevant discussion, then it must go both ways and logically we cannot discuss libertarianism at all, because it has never existed.
My point in bringing up those things was that IMO human nature =/= noble savages that await their liberation. We are capable of good and evil. If libertarianism makes the case that freedom is the Ultimate Value (to which all other values must be absolutely subjugated), it should as a proposed ideology also address the evils of society. Not on a general level, but on the level of practicable solutions. Certainly freedom is a great, great value. But I personally maintain that it can only be a part of a system of values that needs to be carefully designed.
BRUTE wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:29 pm
brute is cynical about feel-good laws and moral outrage. he is inclined to think that humans are going to human no matter what the law is, and he likes to look at actual development instead of good intentions.
You seem to be in agreement with me that there will always be evil in society. You point to a laissez-fare solution. I respect your opinion, but I am not convinced by it. I also suspect that you would think differently about this is your underage kid would be at the other end of a mutually consensual pederasty agreement. Or perhaps when you get older and develop Alzheimer's and have no living relatives (and even if you did, it's not their problem).
What I'm saying is, don't be terribly surprised that other people oppose these ideas. They're perhaps great for you right now, but not for them. We all enter this world very vulnerable and usually also exit it that way. But I think it's a good thing that there is a group of people who fervently talk about personal freedoms. Freedom is an important value.
BRUTE wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:29 pm
does Finn want to guess which political/economic system makes countries rich?
Well it cannot be libertarianism, since it's never existed. Libertarianism =/= capitalism. Also, I think it's pretty safe to say that people are normally pro-capitalism on this forum. I certainly am. I look at capitalism as a vital tool. Not a religion (absolute good).
May I ask what's the libertarian view of the armed forces? Public or private?