In the context of free markets, yeah, I agree.
More a system where everyone starts off (ie, at the onset of legal adulthood, say) with autonomy, and then can choose to remain autonomous or enter the job market as they wish. Make the job market truly optional, in the sense that there is a viable, livable alternative to the job market that is in some sense guaranteed. How this could be achieved I don't quite know.BRUTE wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:59 pmthe more brute thinks about this, the more he gets confused. is Hobbes saying he wants a political system that guarantees the right to land ownership to all humans? what land? where? how much? what if they don't like that piece of land in Montana, but would prefer prime Manhattan real estate? what if the parcel is just 3x3ft? must it be enough to grow food on it? how much food?
But I can see now I've transitioned from actual questions on libertarianism to more of a utopia, I suppose.
It would appear that way. It's unfortunate.
Sorry , you see, I am Buddhist, so a part of my training (if you will) is to always look at the long term, by which I meant quite a few decades in this particular case. I mentally simulated the slow progression of changes that would occur if a sufficient number of people started cheating, and saw the downward progression of it; which meant that I as an individual shouldn't cheat, least I contribute to tipping that balance (in addition to other considerations, such as, you know, the ill effects of robbing people in general ).
Thanks for giving me so much food for thought on this topic. As I said once before, I've mostly avoided it, and this has helped me clear up some delusions I didn't even realize I was carrying around with me. But, seeing as I'm not even talking about libertarianism anymore, and its more you revealing areas in my thought that aren't quite so practical (the whole utopia business), I don't really feel as I have much to contribute to this thread anymore.