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Wow. You are way more badassity than I am. Or at least you think through it more. I applaud your courage!

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Almost as much as a nurse. Yes. I could avoid my patients if I wanted to...and I wanted to avoid them. The guys were on me because I'd actually look people in the eye and talk with them, and then pretty soon I couldn't get rid of them. The modus operandi is to ignore any human being that isn't on your crew. Any sign of acknowledgment is a sign of weakness, and that's when you get mugged.

I got run out of MMM forums. I made the mistake of going into some political forums where the vicious, childish hate was being spewed all over everything. I thought that was odd, seeing as it was coming from people who in other areas seemed to be rational people. Oh, the rage! So I took one party's nominee out of posts and substituted the other party's nominee (this was before the November election). I didn't copy/paste, I just typed it as though it were my opinion.

It got real vicious real fast. Within a few days I was banned for life with a "YOU ARE BANNED, YOU TRUMP SPAMMING ASSHOLE!!" message. I didn't support Trump at all, just switched names. Ah, well...

But I do have an account over there under a different name. I read in a thread where people were looking for me. One of my "friends" there said that I was banned because I had "lost my temper on a political forum". Ironic. I'm sure everyone has noticed, though, that if you disagree with either leftist or rightwinger opinions publicly, you are dismissed and your motivation chalked up to one of three things: ignorance, anger, or fear. Though there is a 4th one now, that of "hate". This one has rapidly gained popularity, especially since last November.

You couldn't possibly disagree with anyone intellectually or ideologically, right? You couldn't just discuss anything or have a bone of contention or point out silly, emotional "logic" using others' own words with another name attached. So, of the four motivations for my reckless typing, I was assigned "anger". And as an angry, out of control forum user, I was banned (not set to expire, as the message said).

So, I've been quite alive but active under a different name completely. The one who banned me seems to think all of my other posts since then are wonderful, and we have great interaction. I am just careful now to NOT point out that I think rabid, emotional political opinions are silly, at best. Harmful and destructive at worst.

And I moved out of the Volt, looking to sell this vehicle which I think rightly belongs in the Smithsonian.

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classical_Liberal wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:53 pm
Luckily most over there who know of ERE think we are just extreme wackos, totally missing the point.
Wackos! I'm not sure if you read my very first posts there when I first discovered there was an antidote to the consumerist lust of the West. I first laid out my situation, and early on my wife wasn't onboard so much. I was counseled to divorce her. Her job for 20 years was declared not a job but a hobby, simply because she made 25k per year doing it. I closed that thread and went to the journals.

I'm still only halfway to retiring dollar-wise, by my own reckoning, but that is if I keep this job. I moved way north on the left coast (much cheaper rent) but make the same wage. I loathe the industry and feel too old to go back to school to retrain, and I can't really quit earning an income or the bills will just drown us. Hard to know what to do, really. Can't see myself going on but the only other option is to give up! That's even worse.

Lots of homeless here, revered by the city council and the state, but still a rough crowd and I am not sure I want to join their crusade for no responsibilities, public sympathy, and social welfare sustenance. Oh, and keeping the cardboard and permanent marker industries going. I guess my situation could be worse: I could have a much suckier job. Or not have one, but I know I could get employed someplace easily. So many Help Wanted signs around here.

I see the MMM people as more of the preppy FIRE people, while over here we are the blue collar DIY people. So far from what I've seen the comments and so forth here are wonderful and show a friendly mob is lurking about.

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@CL - Responding to this entry: I think we already have the terminology for ERE types 1/2, the first being "FI/RE" and second being "semi-retirement." It seems a sufficient condition for pursuing FI/RE is to possess one or more of the following character traits: extreme, patient, hate work. If you're extreme, you'll get there quickly; if patient, you don't care how fast you get there; if you hate work, full retirement is the goal. Semi-retirement is much less common because it requires that none of the sufficient conditions for FI/RE be met, i.e. not extreme, impatient, and tolerate if not enjoy work.

Nice YMOYL wall chart. I like how the trends on both the spending and passive income curves suggest a crossover point that's not too far off in the future.

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Why is it that having 5 nurses on the floor is great, but having 1 patient on the floor is an emergency?

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I used to be that guy that delivered pharmaceutical prescriptions to nursing homes and places like that. I noticed that sometimes they would say they had three nurses on the floor and they were happy about it. But sometimes they would say there was a resident on the floor and then everyone would take off running in a panic. I always wondered why the difference?

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@Fish: I would note that if you are extreme in your frugality, very impatient and/or highly risk tolerant, with tendency towards being intermittently amused/engaged by paid employment, then it may happen that FU attitude will fill much of the gap of FU money.

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I want to be the latter. How do I get there from here? Oh, wait, the first part allows you to be there, right?

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I think it's apparent to anyone that's tried it, that buying used is harder than buying new, and furthermore it's a skill.

When buying new, you are buying a standardized good, i.e. it is undifferentiated between the multiple sellers offering it (new is new), and the terms of sale are usually completely identical between sellers. It's an immediate transaction and the only differences are price and shipping. Therefore, there are very few degrees of freedom. Search for the best price and you're done. Very easy and only requires the ability to determine the smaller of two numbers and swipe a credit card. Even if you mess up the number comparison you still get the item. :P

For used goods, you also have to deal with the condition of the item, your ability to appraise its quality (e.g. used cars), the seller and their responsiveness and reputation. Price is just one dimension among several (and furthermore it's also often negotiable). Transactions may not be immediate either, I'm thinking of craigslist flakes. :x Fortunately, thrift stores like Goodwill add a lot of convenience to the experience of buying used, and make it nearly as easy as buying new. But the best deals are usually found elsewhere. I like to think that I'm getting a lower price not because I'm getting an inferior or pre-depreciated product, but for the effort that I am putting into the transaction and the risk I am taking. But in reality both are true.

I was also impressed that you chose to start your fast when going on the road trip (where food is more expensive due to being away from home). You get web-of-goals points if that was a deliberate side effect. Also, I wouldn't be too hard on the GF about the eating out, when she was willing to sleep in the car. Are your concerns about long-term prospects mostly financial in nature? If so, I would say that things are going really well. You can always choose to waive that contingency.

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I just watched the film "Tracks" last night with my SO........the conversation SHE instigated afterward caught me by surprise......"what do we have to do now in order to be able to do something similar in the future". This morning she commited to tracking her spending in categories so we can start a combined budget and financial picture.

My fears around SO are almost identical to yours, she's 4 years my junior and her NW is 25% of mine. I'll either have to wait for her to catch up, or subsidize her lifestyle to match my own.

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Missed all the financial porn on page 1!

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I also watched “Tracks” with my DW (ESFJ, mid-30s, children) after reading about the wonderful effect it had on @2Birds1Stone’s SO. Fair movie, but did not get the same results. Absolutely zero PF discussion resulted. :|

She sensed there was some ulterior motive and so I shared the 2B1S review prior to watching. It’s likely any chance of success was destroyed even before the movie started. :P But I do think the personality and life-phase differences outweigh any effect that may have had.

Just wanted to share my experience to temper expectations in case anyone else was going to try it as ERE conversion material.

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