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Biased news

Post by jacob » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:18 pm

http://imgur.com/gallery/iPLkz

Let the cage fight begin ... Your personal opinion about biased probably says more about you than it does about the news source.

Now, I read practically every single outlet on the graph (I derive my input from google news which aside from this forum and the local weather is my other homepage) except the lower left and right corners which I only bother with extremely rarely. I didn't even recognize a few of the names :oops: I also find myself rarely reading CNN for some reason (but I think they deserve to be further up) and do I read a significant amount from USA Today. My favs are Bloomberg and Vox with WaPo and USA Today as a runner ups.

If I had to make this graphics from scratch, I'd place everything similarly. I'd move Slate and the Guardian half a field to the left. I also note that AP and Reuters aren't well-placed but that's mainly because they aren't in the business of doing analysis but rather in being "fast and neutral" and charge a pretty buck for speed. In that sense, they're fairly placed except it's kinda misapplied/misleading to put them in with the rest. I'd put Bloomberg around where FT is.


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Re: Biased news

Post by Tyler9000 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:15 pm

I personally find the central "mainstream = unbiased" message in the chart to be a poor assumption.

Here's another way to look at it. This chart rates the major news outlets by the the political leanings of their average audience member. According to that method, mainstream media is demonstrably left of center and NPR is is the same ballpark as Al Jazeera America.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... audiences/

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Re: Biased news

Post by Spartan_Warrior » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:20 pm

http://observer.com/2016/11/mainstream- ... -campaign/

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/09/exc ... ationship/

https://thinkprogress.org/calling-the-d ... .oko12vwig

I'm sure I'll be back with more later.

I wonder if this reputable meme was authored by someone on the payroll of one of the six corporate conglomerates that own 90% of the legacy media. If they'd called the ones in the middle "centrist" rather than "minimal partisan bias", I might not even argue with it. But there is a yuge and critical difference. Centrist is not an unbiased position.

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Re: Biased news

Post by Riggerjack » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:27 pm

All my reading comes from the center/middle to center top. and I recognize a strong progressive slant to most of it. (My favorite is NPR's All Things Considered. Pick a topic, interview a progressive who spends 5 minutes making his case, followed by 20 seconds of a southern conservative, quoted out of context, and sounding like a moron- fair and balanced coverage.) I like the economist for the debates. I haven't read it in years, but I found Al Jazeera to be fairly balanced, with a bit of anti American establishment slant, but far less than we deserve.

Google news has become my default source, since igoogle went away. Overall, my news consumption has dropped a lot in the last few years. There just isn't enough substance to hold my attention.

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Re: Biased news

Post by ducknalddon » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:35 am

In the UK politicians are constantly complaining about the BBC's bias, it doesn't matter which party is in power, the BBC is always biased towards to opposite side. This tells me they are probably doing something right.

I don't mind some bias as long as they are up front about it, The Economist will usually tell you when they are stating their opinion rather than fact. Like Riggerjack I don't follow the news so much now, after a while you realise it's the same stuff year after year and mostly irrelevant to my day to day life.

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Re: Biased news

Post by BRUTE » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:44 am

NYT is way more left than on that graph in the OP. brute was pretty disappointed with them this election season and basically gave it up.

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Re: Biased news

Post by stand@desk » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:31 am

I usually check Zero Hedge before I check google news. I basically use those two sources. One Right wing, one Centre/Left.

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Re: Biased news

Post by ffj » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:44 am

All of the news outlets are extensions of business models and the corporations that own them. It's not about truth per se, but money generated. If one has that attitude going into reading/watching anybody on the above list it helps immensely in determining what is relevant.

Personally, I don't limit any source for information because your favorite news source isn't telling you the whole story, and what they are telling you is biased. Doesn't matter if it leans left or right, they are lying to you through omission and if you want the whole story one is forced to read a lot of contradictory material to gain a truer understanding.

As far as the news sites listed above one should ask themselves how they performed during the election to get a sense of whether they are relevant or not. Most performed very poorly.

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Re: Biased news

Post by Riggerjack » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:26 am

As far as the news sites listed above one should ask themselves how they performed during the election to get a sense of whether they are relevant or not. Most performed very poorly.
I disagree. This last election had very inaccurate polling. Thus accurate news would be wrong, not because of bias, but because of Trump Shame.

As came up in the clown genius thread, I think an accurate indicator would be the Rick Perry as energy secretary subject.

Did your news source say:

Rick Perry for energy secretary! OMG

Rick Perry for energy secretary! OMG! Birther! TX!

Rick Perry for energy secretary! OMG! Not even a physicist!


Rick Perry for energy secretary! Replacing a Nobel laureate!

I would love to see a source that had: Rick Perry for energy secretary. Joining a group that includes a Nobel laureate, former CEOs, former governors, and political hacks. Here is a list of controversial calls he will be called on to make:

Unfortunately, I haven't found anything even close to such a source.

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Re: Biased news

Post by jacob » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:29 am

@Riggerjack - AP and Reuters would be the droids you're looking for.

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Re: Biased news

Post by Papers of Indenture » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:39 pm

Reuters is primary for me.

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Re: Biased news

Post by enigmaT120 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:04 pm

Is The Week on that chart? I didn't see it. I like The Economist but only when somebody else pays for my subscription. No convenient library for me right now.

Since the chart didn't have The Onion it's pretty worthless.

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Re: Biased news

Post by ShriekingFeralHatred » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:53 pm

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Re: Biased news

Post by Farm_or » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:11 am

Bias, propaganda, fake? It's all untrue. And not new.

The only defense we have is life experiences and education. Especially in regards to learning history. If a generation skips the experience of predecessors, then we can expect society to regress a century.

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Re: Biased news

Post by Spartan_Warrior » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:39 am

Semi-cross-posted from the post-fact thread--a simple challenge that I thus far haven't been able to meet.

Can anyone find any articles from any of the mainstream/legacy media channels (like the ones represented as reliable, analytical, and unbiased in this meme) covering the censorship clause in H.R. 6393 (see Sec. 501) that I believe has currently passed the House and is awaiting Senate vote?

Here's some alternative news site, no doubt Russian in origin*, with all those interesting thoughts and questions the legacy media is deliberately not asking: http://theduran.com/warning-us-house-pa ... ws-begins/

*If that's not Russian enough for you, here's Ron Paul Liberty Institute on the subject, which was also identified by PropOrNot and subsequently WaPo as a "Russian propaganda source". That's right. Libertarian U.S. Senator Ron Paul. He is included on the "PropOrNot" list that WaPo originally published as a definitive list of fake news. (Here's Dr. Paul's take on that.) A few days later, WaPo added the editor's note that now appears on their article, basically admitting that the PropOrNot list comes from anonymous sources (as usual) and that WaPo doesn't "vouch for its validity" (despite publishing it as news), blah blah blah. Basically admitting they posted fake news about fake news. Fake news-inception.

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Re: Biased news

Post by ducknalddon » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:08 am

Spartan_Warrior wrote:Can anyone find any articles from any of the mainstream/legacy media channels (like the ones represented as reliable, analytical, and unbiased in this meme) covering the censorship clause in H.R. 6393 (see Sec. 501) that I believe has currently passed the House and is awaiting Senate vote?
We had a similar problem in the UK with the Investigatory Powers Act 2016, it barely got a mention in the mainstream media. I don't think this would have been the same in the past and I suspect it is down to falling revenues in the media. Quality journalism costs and not many people seem willing to pay for it.

However this is somewhat different to the problem we had with Brexit where there was very little unbiased media, the majority of the newspapers had taken a stance on one side or the other, mostly on the side of Brexit.

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Re: Biased news

Post by George the original one » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:28 pm

I would bet most news outlets rarely report on any legislation.

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Re: Biased news

Post by 7Wannabe5 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:36 pm

I used to like Harper's.

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Re: Biased news

Post by BRUTE » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:58 pm

Spartan_Warrior wrote:Basically admitting they posted fake news about fake news. Fake news-inception.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUMq6imrMmI

in all fairness, while Ron Paul might not be Russian, he's most definitely a socialist.

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