Quitting Alcohol Pros and Cons

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thef0x
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Re: Quitting Alcohol Pros and Cons

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jacob wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:58 am
My point is to make the strong case that alcohol has a causal relationship with cancer, instead of what has been a common belief that alcohol only causes diseases that can themselves lead to cancer. Feel free to push back here, although I'll always defer to studies because I am not an oncologist.

I tried to be careful about the language I used regarding deaths re the 5.8% vs 4%* stat: alcohol consumption is a contributing factor to 5.8% of cancer deaths. It's not causing 5.8% of cancer deaths, it is a contributing factor / co-morbid to the 5.8% of deaths from cancer, whatever their origin. TLDR: if you have cancer, that's extra reason to quit drinking.

Here is that journal article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26455822/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.29890

Your point in general is well taken and the added context to correctly scale both lifestyle vs genetic factors and the relative risk of dying from cancer is important to keep in mind.

Having seen two people die from cancer in the last ~12 months, I agree with your take on going out quick. Medically assisted suicide is an emotionally challenging topic but morally speaking, it feels fairly cut and dry to me.

On a personal note, I am more than willing to own that I do things that damage my health, including carrying a bit too much body fat, not sleeping enough, and indulging in the occasional toke of adventure lettuce. My point is: don't be that guy who says "like, man, weed is good for you bro" when it's clearly shown that inhalation of volatile compounds like smoke damages the lungs.

Cellular damage is going to be amassed by living, period, and as it stands today, we do not have sufficient technology to undo free radical damage to our DNA, although this field of medicine is rapidly improving (exciting). Breathing, eating, even exercise (muscle catabolism) cause free radical damage.

The question that we're all chewing on here is: are there benefits that outweigh the costs of the free radical damage associated with XYZ (alcohol, breathing, hypertrophy training, etc). I'm suggesting we all get real about the science (alcohol directly causes cancer) and the trade offs, which, on balance, imo, outweigh its benefits.

* Edit: I think people in general would still be surprised by the 4% of cancer deaths stat. Again, worth noting it's not binary, e.g. one drink != 4% chance to die from cancer, so I really do not mean to inflate the scale of impact in any way here, but I do think this myth that alcohol is healthy needs to die from our public consciousness, even if I can guarantee that it won't (cuz booze, wooohooo).

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Re: Quitting Alcohol Pros and Cons

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jacob wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:58 am
The universe is carcinogenic and being alive is the leading cause of death.
Life as a Fatal Sexually Transmitted Disease for an artistic take on the same.

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Re: Quitting Alcohol Pros and Cons

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I went to college (briefly) and the alcohol culture was terrible. Then I worked with the homeless (mostly men and no children or families) and the effects of alcohol abuse were horrible to witness. Now I work with the elderly including a dementia wing. I have met people in their 50s with alcohol-induced early dementia! And right now, all my coworkers that drink seem to have all sorts of money and personal problems, which are worsened by them coming to work drunk and/or hungover.
It is safe to say I do not drink regularly at all.

But when I go on vacation to one of my favorite nature preserves, they sell craft beers and I always buy one. I have also brewed my own wine from my own lilac bushes, which is fun and it didn't turn out very alcoholic.
I have never had alcohol around other people. People say I'm missing out, but I'm not. Alcohol makes me sleepy and I like it when I'm on vacation because I sleep very deeply after a beer.

I think the best way to say it is that alcohol is basically poison. It just is not good for you. But it is also in human nature to seek out experiences, which includes taking potions that include poison for the purposes of recreation.

I also think it's funny when people make a big stink about "I don't drink at parties!" Or being sober, or especially, I get people that are shocked that I've EVER had liquor and especially that I've brewed my own stuff. It's often because they have such an unhealthy dynamic with drugs in general, they can't comprehend the idea of someone who drinks a single beer besides a waterfall for fun once every two years. I've had people outright tell me, "I could never drink just one beer, it would just upset me because if I'm going to drink I need to get drunk." When people say, "You drink??? I can't believe YOU have had beer before! Aren't you religious/a health addict/straight-laced/etc?" It's because they can't imagine anything besides unhealthy, problematic drug use.

I don't think most of the damage from alcohol is in the alcohol, I think it's in everything that tends to surround and follow the bottle. The places it takes you, the people, the culture. Drunk driving, alcohol-fueled violence and alcohol-fueled sexual behaviors. Quality of life is also an important metric. Even if alcohol never caused cancer, it seems pretty toxic.

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Re: Quitting Alcohol Pros and Cons

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Apparently holy communion is now available with alcohol free wine. And gluten free bread.

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