Yeah, I was pretty sure that would be the case. But please take heed, I agree with you. Every point you have to say to convince me is going to be wasted, because I agree with you. And yet, I don't come to the same conclusion. Take a minute to process that. We have a ways to go, and we won't get there, if we get bogged down into any aspects of whether free markets lead to better distributions. Again, I agree.oh, and it has lifted 4 billion humans out of poverty over the last few decades, while Riggerjack was busy feeling sorry for himself. boohoo!
ps: brute is angrier about this than he should be.
I will get to this, and more, but there is much to unpack first. That will be in what I consider subject #5, and we are starting subject #2.One thing I've never fully grokked about libertarianism is its' equating (?) of freedom with a market economy; or, said differently, that a market economy maximizes personal freedom. Yet, when I look at the economy, I see that people are essentially forced into the job market (or at least requiring socially acceptable paper\digital credits\money) by virtue of needing to feed\clothe\provide requirements of life for themselves.
Well, we will have to agree to disagree about that. But stick around, by the end I think we will come closer to agreeing than we have in the past.There is probably a third major flaw to libertarianism - its never happened. There has a never been a developed society adopting anything close to a libertarian model. I don't mean selective examples of successful self-governing markets, I mean a country or region which has essentially abandoned substantive market intervention (except maybe in anarchist Spain, but don't think libertarian-communism is what most libertarians have in mind) In reality, such a society would be quickly crushed, either through internal opposition or external force. Its a seductively attractive idea, but not a realistic one.
So, to try #2 from a different point of view, let me try to talk about my feelings about religion to help people read that as one post, and where it leads in another, so it can perhaps work up fewer strong reactions that way.
I am not religious. Which is not the same thing as anti-religious, I have no hostility to religion or adherents. When I was young, I was entertained by arguing with religious folks, but it always came down to faith, and either you have it, or you don't. I don't.
So, when someone says "God bless you." or "I'll pray for you.", I think, "Oh, you think highly enough of me to talk to your invisible sky daddy, that's nice. When He and the Flying Spaghetti Monster get together, what stories they will have to tell." but I say, "thank you". I would include examples from other religions, but they are uncommon enough that what few examples I have seem stereotypical and could open a side issue. I'm not talking about my feelings about religion to explore them, but to illustrate a point in my next post.