SWB's path to financial independence

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So I think the contracting company was trying not to panic. Not surprisingly, one of the two contracts (the one I didn't think would) is putting a hold on spending so they are winding down the contractors including me. I was hoping this would be the smooth ride contract but nope! They did offer me full time employment if I wanted to be an employee. If we were living on the edge, I'd probably jump at it but... We're not, they work some crazy hours and some aspects of the project are not that great. I can overlook that as a contractor -- at least I get paid for every hour I work. But I don't want to be an employee there.

The other contract I thought would go on hold is actually launching. I should have thought about it more but I think the reason it's full steam ahead is the partner on the project is basically a "huge cargo ship" of a corporation with more than 12B revenue/year. I think the financial backing ultimately comes from them and this is the tail end of a multiple year effort (given I come in, turn it around and get them to launch within a short amount of time... it makes my rate look cheap in the bigger picture). But they still might launch into a slow market and do a "go slow" with less to no hours for a while. We'll see.

I'm honestly a bit nervous for some reason about turning down the full time employment offer. Rationally, I know we're fine. We have a bit over $30k in cash, $50k in outstanding invoices and another $15-20k in future invoices. Taxes will take a big chunk of that but we'll be fine for quite a while with that. But if I want to become an employee, I think I should look for employment that I prefer over just taking what comes along. And there might be more future contracting opportunities.

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Spent some more time mulling over the potential full time offer. I decided I should find out what they are offering. There are some reasons it would make sense to accept it if it's a reasonable offer:

- we might want to buy a house/property in the near future -- easier with W2 employment
- seems like COVID-19 has potential to disrupt things for quite a while
- I should still be able to do side contracting work
- I can push to have some things a bit better for me (for example, they wanted us as contractors to work on PST time and from EDT that is a bit of a pain particularly with kids and mealtimes -- I think I can push them to at least flex 2-3 hours back on that)
- health insurance is rumored to sky rocket in cost due to the virus -- would be nice to have the employer buffer on that (both cost and group policy)
- we might want to have another kid and it would likely be a better deal under a group plan (really far down on the list but still...)
- probably won't have to travel much, if at all, for quite a while

I know what I'm getting into for the most part and it's not horrible. I'd feel obligated to stay for at least a year. But with the virus, things getting back to normal seems far out so it feels like a year wouldn't feel that long. And I don't HAVE to stay if it just isn't working out.

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Asked for actual compensation numbers today from potential full time employment offer. Got a feeling of potentially being low balled but we'll see. I think they need me more than I need them but the business never wants to reveal that or be candid. Low ball feeling come from being asked about salary related to geographical location -- some startups have complex formulas that incorporate cost of living and try to make salaries "fair". I've always avoided any company that does that as it's not in my best interest and typically they fail to factor in if you're single with room mates or if you have a family or ... So many other factors besides local cost of living. Sure, a house in SF Bay Area is multiple times what one costs here but unless I'm considering buying a house in both locations, it's not really a factor.

Blah!

More just frustrated that I can run a strong narrative in my head around this topic but failed to do so when actually talking to someone!

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Progress: 50.6% ($607,000/$1,200,000 but minus some 1099 taxes)

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Unfortunately, the contract that didn't make the last payment a bit under 2 years ago and recently set up a payment plan did pay the first payment but now has not paid the second one. It's just under $5k/payment and there is supposed to be a total of six payments. They are a startup in the travel industry that has had prior financial issues so it's not really surprising but shucks... Not getting paid on contracts is one of the things that boost up contracting rates and honestly, I'd built it in so I was okay with it and am (as in, not kicking myself -- still want the money if they'll pay it). But it would still be nice to have that nearly $25k additional cash coming in.

There is surprisingly little you can do that actually makes senes to do if contracts don't pay. There are collection agencies and lawyers. I've tried the first one and it was not good. Lawyers get expensive fast and end up eating all the money you're trying to collect (unless you have a good connection). Massive generalizations there but that's been my experience so far (fairly certain about collection agencies being not worth it, still hoping maybe one day I'll find a lawyer to work with for that kind of thing that has an approach that makes sense).

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I was right! Hilariously low ball salary offer. So I currently get $155/hour from the contract I have with them and they offered me $90k/year. Um... They are bottom feeders. No wonder they have a hard time hiring. I should probably be insulted but I don't think that way. I more think they have bad instincts, poor leadership and they are going to assemble a team of desperate people that only stick around until they find something better. Amazingly short sighted. I countered with $180-220k but even if they come back with something in that range, I think I'm out. I think my value system is way too unaligned with theirs. Yes, cash is cash but it just speaks to how the rest of the relationship is going to be with them. So couple more days of contracting with them and on to side projects (and/or some time on the other contract but that is probably going to have a slow spell).

Thank god for ERE/FIRE/FI/Jacob/this forum. I know I'm an oddball here but this is why I'm here.

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Gah, that is terrible. They probably think they have everyone over a barrel and can just be complete asses. Yay to your instincts to walk from them.

I second your praise for the forum. So many of my friends and family are worried about bills and losing their jobs. I try to not talk about it so much, since nominally I'm still writing as work, but being able to walk from that job in hospitals was the best thing ever. From what I've seen of hospital admins, no, I'll never trust them with my life, thank you very much.

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I agree with your decision as well. You've earned the right to, at least, be picky about how you earn for the rest of your life. Leave the trash for those who are desperate.

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Thanks for the votes of confidence. Today, they came back with +$10k over their initial offer and I told them I wasn't interested (I assumed we were done negotiating but apparently they thought we still were). So that is over and done with.

Interestingly, the network/agency I contract through mentioned this Small Business Protection program applies to those of us impacted by COVID-19. I bank via Chase and they want a pre-existing business bank account through them. As a one person LLC, I've been lax and just used my personal account. However, my side startup has a business account there and they don't clarify on their form if it has to be for the business impacted so... I'm not sure about taking advantage of this but I filled out the form to learn more. I think how it works for my situation (which is impacted by COVID-19 as the client said they were stopping contract hours due to it), I would calculate my annual income but max of $100,000 (so it would be $100k) and then there would be 2.5 months of payroll so basically:

($100,000 year /12 months) * 8 weeks = ~$15k

That amount would be "loaned" to me but actually forgiven.

That said, seems like the program is a huge mess and banks are going to take care of their own first. I'm a small potato and they might try to filter me out by not having a pre-existing business bank account for my exact business. But we'll see.

On the one hand, I feel scummy taking advantage of something. On the other hand, I do have to pay self-employment taxes and if I am going to be diluted as a whole by these government programs, maybe I should take what is offered if it applies?

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My plan B is to buy out my business partner on the side project and pivot it somewhat in pricing and approach (along with taking over sales). That has been going well (put this in motion a couple weeks ago) and I think I will do it. I do need to work with someone on it to bounce ideas off of and my wife is onboard with working on it together. This doesn't really have the earning potential that contracting has but it should be more stable, and likely won't require 100% of my time except in big feature/refactoring spurts (so it will up front for a while). That means I can still try other things or do some contracting if that comes back.

Overall risk is basically the same as going forward as we are now but I'm out maybe a year of "profit" (I put that in quotes because if go by the hours put in, we don't actually make any profit but such is life with a lot of bootstrapping efforts).

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Yay! Contract that was kind of the "bane of my existence" (same one that offered me $90k salary, maybe not quite bane-level*) is over and done with. Their CEO is still messing around with delaying payment on the invoices and there is a total of nearly $42,000 pending invoices but only a portion of that will be late (starting tomorrow). Plus an invoice for a couple more days for this week.

So will they pay or not? Now begins the waiting game.

The other contract is awesome in comparison. Less hours but so much nicer to work for and now we'll wind my hours down while we wait to see if the project is successful enough to continue investing more engineering time into it (which is exactly what I would do too).

* Now I go look up "bane of my existence" and see it's often used similarly as kind of a dramatic statement but not for truly horrible things.

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And another contracting opportunity emerges from the mists... We'll see if I land it but I am going to apply and interview for it. It's a good fit for my tech skills so we'll see (there were other opportunities too in the past week -- much less than normal -- but none were really a good fit for me).

Still no movement on payment but we'll see.

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With the recent turmoil I've been trying to process why I let it get to me. Will it be different at 100% FI? Or perhaps 150% FI? I suspect not however I also don't think I'd get into the same situation again (I don't think I'd be up for people offering me a job at 100% of 150% FI -- I mean in those kind of circumstances).

Is it due to putting too much value into my career/work?

One nagging thing is definitely healthcare but I think I put too much mental time to thinking about it because it's basically a solved problem as long as you have enough income (or the Affordable Healthcare Act continues and you have too little income).

Perhaps part of it is I have a hard time being an asshole. I'd rather turn the other cheek. I mostly think that is a good quality however there are all these confusing power games people play that I'm mostly oblivious to -- I do pick up some but many I'm kind of just... Yeah, whatever or not even picking up.

I'm confused. Humans are weird.

The biggest thing I've learned and had constantly reinforced is that my intuition (or perhaps logical background process) is good and I'm typically right. I kind of doubted that for a long time. I still do. But within the past 2-3 years, I'd say I've been spot on in many situations and my confidence in myself has grown. I've been wrong too but I've also learned to be more patient and to let things develop before jumping to a conclusion or taking action that I might later regret. Life is a delicate balance.

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They did pay apparently. I'm still waiting on the payment to come to me. I think there are another 5 invoices or so to that troublesome organization so it'll be interesting to see if each one is a fight.

Other contract almost down to no hours although seeing some returns on their marketing so hopefully it'll take off.

The potential new contract was at a reduced rate and I decided to stay high for now. So no new contract for me. I wouldn't be surprised if none for quite a while. But I'm okay with that. I think this year I made enough to pay for the whole year of expenses. I do feel an urge to make more money to have more to invest however there is time and I still think my earning potential is better than the rate of returns in some convoluted way of thinking of it -- basically, if I make the money now or in a year, not really that big a deal (just have to work an extra 2-4 weeks to make up the lost of return maybe but... that isn't that much effort).

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Did my taxes for 2019 so I'd qualify for the free government money. In 2018, we made just about $250k and in 2019, right around $100k. I took part of 2019 off (RVing) and in 2018 I had that "two jobs at once for 5-6 months" thing going on with the extra contracting.

For 2020, I think I'm at or close to 2019 in income already with lots of 70-90 hour weeks contracting. But that is basically stopping (going to have some hours going forward but not a ton unless new contracts start coming in). I think I'm close to off for the summer. Maybe this fall will bring more contract work back. But right now, things don't look too good (Google slowing down on hiring, lots of layoffs, etc). Could all turn around though.

But I'm thinking it's best to keep going down the path of the side project and try to turn that around. I think I could get it to basically paying our yearly expenses. Particularly if we sink some money into some land/house and no longer are renting.

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The delayed payments for the recent contract work (not 2018 stuff) came through! This should take us to well above 2 years of spending in cash (after taking out taxes). That's a relief that it isn't going to be some long drawn out battle to get paid.

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Progress: 61.4% ($736,500/$1,200,000) minus a big chunk of self-employment taxes
Weight: 238 (goal: 215)

My wife is missing her gym classes and started exercising at home with Youtube videos of the classes she normally does. I joined her two days ago. Feeling sore but good and planning on continuing.

I stopped reporting my weight when we went RVing and I went off my diet. I went back on the diet 6 weeks ago at 255 pounds. With keto, there is some water weight dropped at the start, maybe 8-10 pounds, so it's not like i really dropped from 255 -> 238. It'll be interesting to see how adding exercising impacts the weight loss. I hope to get down to 215 and slowly add back carbs while continuing to exercise in order to keep a stable weight.

I put the cart before the ox and I sold roughly 3/4 of our investment holdings earlier this week. I would have sold all of it but I have one holding left at about $90k which includes $28k of long term gains and I don't know I want to increase our tax debt by that much this year (already sold some holdings with $8k of taxable gains). I'm not opposed to staying partly in and my wife so far wants to stay in on her accounts (roughly 1/7 of our investment holdings). The bit about the cart is in reference to not really having a solid plan of what I'm going to do with the holdings besides having them sit in money market accounts. But my goal is to ride out COVID-19 and/or the recession and my readings here have convinced me I can't stay in. Not now. I also know I could make horrible choices and shoot myself in the foot so the investment learning effort will receive more focus. I did drink the "buy and hold" kool aid for quite a while and I still suspect it's not a bad approach but this just feels different. We'll see.

Contract work is slow but hopefully the remaining part time one will make enough to cover our monthly cost of living for a while.

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Still waiting on the personal government stimulus payment. I'm being audited for 2018 (turns out they owe me about $1500, we'll see if I get it) and I submitted 2019 and we qualify for the full personal payment but nothing on the IRS website yet. Not too worried about it but curious when it'll pop up.

I gave up on the PPP (business stimulus). It just didn't feel right to me. I don't need it. It's too blatant of a cash grab for my taste. Yeah, I know maybe I shouldn't let taste come into it but I didn't sign a ~$6k non-disparagement agreement when I felt I was unjustly fired in the past so I guess I have a pattern of turning down easy money based on my morals? It also just didn't seem like it was going to pan out and I was worried I'd put effort into something that would end up not being free after all or would eat up a lot of time.

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Still nothing on the (personal) government stimulus payment.

I had a recruiter contact me for an interesting position in an early stage company. Seemed like a good fit after talking to some of the team. It would be full time employment. I'm excited about the project -- it's interesting stuff and actually user friendly instead of user predatory. And in a technical way that is baked in so can't change it later as a business decision -- at least not without pulling a drastic 180 degree. So that is kind of cool too. Now on to the compensation side of things -- hopefully, it works out.

Finally have the small sailboat back in the driveway (winter really ended up here a week or two ago). I need to get the fiberglass materials and core material ordered to finish my repair of the rotted partition. Looking forward to getting that done and getting it back in the water.

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Sailboats are great <3

Can you elaborate on the "user friendly vs user predatory"? I find that really interesting. Some people talk about technology as a set of neutral tools, but I'm not on board with that worldview. It seems to me that social consequences, positive and negative, are baked into the design.

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