classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Where are you and where are you going?
wolf
Posts: 1099
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:09 pm
Location: Germany

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by wolf »

I like the idea of a traveling ERE club. Imagine it would be all year long!

classical_Liberal
Posts: 2044
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:05 am

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by classical_Liberal »

Well that idea seems to have better feelings than I thought. Good!

I'll certainly post any major travel plans I have in advance, but it'd probably be a good idea to have dedicated thread in the community section.

My basic idea here would be for maybe three types of posters. Traveler, Host, Guide.

A traveler could post their general itinerary/means of travel and general timeline. Also, an idea of how flexible they are (ie not, somewhat, or very) with the dates and locations. By posting you'd basically be asking for PM's (responses in thread would clutter it up and make it hard to look through) for any potential travel partners, or maybe even hosts or guides.

A host could be someone who's in an area that wants to open up a living space for travelers. Either for the fun of it, for $$, or other compensation. They'd probably want to provide a general idea about how long, what type of space, and compensation. I think even a yard/land/driveway to throw up a tent or park a vehicle should be included here. This may not get overly used since most ERE'ers right size their living space, but you never know.

A guide would basically be someone stating the general area they live, and their willingness to take some time and show people around. Or maybe even help a bit with the travelers plans (ie where to stay, local deals, whatever)

Since people like anonymity, If someone doesn't want to post where they live on the thread, they could simply offer up guide or hosting on a PM to a traveler who has already posted, vice versa, or traveler to traveler trying to link up their plans a bit.

Thoughts? Would there be a better way to structure it?

User avatar
Jean
Posts: 1317
Joined: Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:49 am
Location: Switzterland

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by Jean »

That's basically a semi private version of couchsurfing.
I thought that you meant something like a very extended meetup.

classical_Liberal
Posts: 2044
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:05 am

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by classical_Liberal »

@jean
Yeah, That's kind'a what I was thinking. Making a few connections here and there. Given the individualistic nature of most folks here, everyone could simply do/offer up whatever they're willing.

A one time meet up in location "X" in the month of "Y" is cool too. But those are basically just meetups, but for a longer period of time. Generally this requires an organizer too. It makes me wonder how many people would want to do it? My hope would be that type of thing evolves from the above, after more connections are made. But maybe just having someone plan a single, longer-term meetup in a certain place is better? IDK what people would be more open to.

I'm certainly open to suggestions because I don't want to waste time and energy on something no one is interested in. I also think the more things like this fail, the more likely it is the next incarnation will never be introduced, or also fail.

User avatar
Jean
Posts: 1317
Joined: Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:49 am
Location: Switzterland

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by Jean »

I think it would be nice if someone with a place would state that it's open for campers/guests for a given period. Then anyone intérested would answer, and the Host would pm them the coordinates.
Édit: like this : my forest is open for ere campers from december 15th to february 15th 2021.

classical_Liberal
Posts: 2044
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:05 am

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by classical_Liberal »

@jean
So, more like the first idea, but without a traveler posting in thread?

The problem I see there is traveler to traveler interactions are gone. Like If I posted, I'm going to fly to Puerto Vallarta Mexico and stay there in January and February of 2021 (exact dates are very flexible), anyone interested in going there and cost sharing housing for some or all of the time this winter? Or I'm driving from Minneapolis to New Orleans the week or Sept 20th, anyone interested in traveling along/near that route during that time to carpool or share end destination housing costs for a couple weeks? Ect...

Western Red Cedar
Posts: 102
Joined: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:15 pm

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by Western Red Cedar »

@CL

I think a version of this exists in the digital nomad community, but it is relatively unstructured. There are certain, low-cost locations with lots of amenities and good internet connections like Chang Mai. Certain times of year are better to visit due to weather and air quality. After a few years, loose communities and friendships are formed.

Most digital nomads have relatively flexible schedules and can change plans for future countries pretty easily - they are just balancing visa, cost, and work considerations. When they meet up with old friends at one of the international nomad hotspots, they may change their plans and try out a new location. A good way to travel with like-minded people for a couple months and maintain a sense of community.

I experienced it a bit on the backpacker trail in Central America. I'd travel with a rough, regional itinerary but would be flexible to change my plans if I met cool people and they heard about a beach, village, or other location to check out for a few days. We'd occasionally travel together for a couple of weeks. I was much more open to this approach when solo traveling though because I was a bit more eager for basic interaction.

classical_Liberal
Posts: 2044
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:05 am

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by classical_Liberal »

@Western Red Cedar
What you describe is basically what I was thinking. It really only takes one of two people having flexibility for any interaction like this to work. How do these digital nomad groups work? Are people meeting up who only know each other through online activities?

I guess my motivations here have many levels. I think cost sharing/meeting up with others is great in-and-of itself. So there's a couple of carrots in the form of saving money (ERE ;) ), and getting a potentially better experience with guides and the like, plus those you mention with solo travelers.
I think there's a benefit with couples or families too, because it's pretty easy to use them as crutches to not meet new people when traveling. The (maybe not so) hidden agenda is that creating a few connections IRL with people here can begin to spiral into a tighter community.

Western Red Cedar
Posts: 102
Joined: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:15 pm

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by Western Red Cedar »

@CL

I think initial face-to-face contact is pretty critical in the digital nomad community. You don't really want to commit to traveling with someone, much less hanging out for an evening, unless you know they're cool and you get along well. Millennial Revolution interviewed someone named Johnny FD a little while ago who set up a digital nomad conference in Chang Mai once a year. He recognized the need and value for more community for long-term travelers in the digital nomad realm. It sounded a little like a budget chautauqua with more structure for the speakers.

I checked out a bunch of his podcasts while quarantined to keep my wanderlust at bay. They weren't really my style as I'm not particularly interested in making my living online (more interested in truly passive income), but I got some good ideas about destinations and visa strategies. He also had a handful of really interesting guests (polyglots, photographers, early retirees, etc.). Anyway, I noticed that theme in multiple conversations. A small group of people who knew each other from overlapping paths would say something like - "I'm heading to Sri Lanka or Tbilisi because I heard it's really great, free 3 month visa, and cheap accommodations." One traveler would have been thinking about Bali or somewhere else, but decide to switch it up because nothing was booked and they are primarily thinking about costs, visas, and reliable internet.

I think this was also much more common in the backpacking scene prior to pre-booking things on the internet. Rolff Potts talks about this in some of his podcasts, and recently interviewed an old friend who he met by happenstance in Cairo, then later down the road in another backpacker hub. They bonded over a Noah Baumbach film and Walt Whitman, and built a friendship off of that.

https://rolfpotts.com/podcast/best-hostel-ever/

I suspect its less common now with AirBnb and other online booking sites, but I can't say for certain as I haven't truly shoestringed it for about 10 years. My last solo trip was through Mexico and I ended up traveling with a few different solo travelers and a couple for up to a week at a time. Sometimes it was as simple as sharing expenses for a day trip with a group from a hostel. I hope that vibe is still alive because it is one of my favorite things about travel.

I'm all about creating networks for IRL meetups. Anyone looking to explore the Pacific Northwest is welcome to use me as a resource. I know some great boondocking spots!

7Wannabe5
Posts: 6630
Joined: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:03 am

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by 7Wannabe5 »

Great idea! If you added some portable money-making skills into the mix then we could be kind of like a band of Gypsy Tinkers. I am pretty good at telling fortunes with a deck of cards.

Seriously, I am already loosely planning on cross-country camping trip post-Covid vaccine. Even though I am currently craving solitude, I would love to split costs and share company for part of the journey.

wolf
Posts: 1099
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:09 pm
Location: Germany

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by wolf »

in my point of view the benefits of a slowtravelling ERE Club would be: community, common/similiar mindset, creativity, DIY inspiration, lower cost due to higher efficiency, more flexibility and higher resilience, like a coliving gang of modern renaisance man and woman
Last edited by wolf on Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:50 am, edited 1 time in total.

RoamingFrancis
Posts: 305
Joined: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:43 am

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by RoamingFrancis »

This could also be a good way to learn/improve new skills. We could hold classes in each of our various talents based on interest - could be a good way to reach higher levels of proficiency without having to pay for higher education.

jacob
Site Admin
Posts: 12870
Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:38 pm
Location: USA, Zone 5b, Koppen Dfa, Elev. 620ft, Walkscore 73
Contact:

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by jacob »

RoamingFrancis wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:20 am
This could also be a good way to learn/improve new skills. We could hold classes ...
Less formally, it would be a way to have experiences that are otherwise not easily available in the regular [tourist] economy. I've previously traveled (alone on greyhound busses) to visit other EREites to e.g. ride motorcycles in the desert, shoot guns (you guys tend to be well-armed), hike, cycle, play with power tools, and go camping ... which has been very memorable. The beauty of it all is that we instantly hit it off even if spouses sometimes worried about possibly inviting a weirdo from the interwebs into their home. Likely because temperamentally and in terms of interests, EREites are mostly self-selected clones.

I still think meeting in person beats watching youtube videos for experiencing new things.

Usually when people have traveled to ERE HQ, it's been to meet each other or to quiz/interrogate Dear Leader. That's okay(*) but we could also do "introduction to soap making (you'll get 10 rounds of soap made out of lye and lard)", "how to make things out of scrap wood with hand tools", or "bicycle repair101", ... insofar the traveling band swings around Chicago.

(*) Should note that my preference is set by the fact that I'm more of a "competence"-person than a "people"-person. Like with the ERE meetups, I'd still go to one but I haven't felt inclined to arrange another one myself since 2018.

Kriegsspiel
Posts: 928
Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:05 pm

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by Kriegsspiel »

jacob wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:50 am
shoot guns (you guys tend to be well-armed)
This is an unexpected revelation.

jacob
Site Admin
Posts: 12870
Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:38 pm
Location: USA, Zone 5b, Koppen Dfa, Elev. 620ft, Walkscore 73
Contact:

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by jacob »

Really?!

classical_Liberal
Posts: 2044
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:05 am

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by classical_Liberal »

Just for the record, I've only shot a gun a few times on one occasion. It kind-of scared me. :oops: Please not a bunch of gun talk, I don't want my journal flagged by NSA tracking algos (I didn't say I wasn't paranoid :D).

Back to the traveling stuff.

Since this is getting pretty good reception, I'll work on an intro thread post with example templates of how to post, and a request to not interact on the thread unless posting specifically as one of the categories. I think someone's ability to scroll through the thread to easily find things compatible to them will really be critical in it's working success. Please continue to throw out ideas/suggestions or changes as I work this out.

A few more thoughts of mine based on the previous posts:

Given the idea that some people might want to have "workshop" type endeavours as well. I think that could be served under the "host" or "guide" umbrella. Depending on whether or not someone has extra space. If this person would like to have a meetup or workshop they could post some potential dates for it and work it out in PM's or a link to seperate thread. Again, because if a single thread gets too cluttered with interactions, it becomes hard for people to search and find what they may need.

I think if a band of gypsy-type traveling, where a bunch of people keep traveling together, the first pieces need to be put together. Meaning a few people have to meet up and travel together, and maybe visit a host or guide a few times. These are the types of interactions that can lead to more interesting phenomenological creations.

I think when someone volunteers to be a guide or a host they should probably include a brief description of good reasons and/or a good time of year to visit their city that aren't well known tourist attractions. ie can't miss the city apple celebration in sept, or whatever.

2Birds1Stone
Posts: 1164
Joined: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:20 am
Location: Earth

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by 2Birds1Stone »

I worry about the security implications of publicly posting even higher level details re specific locations. This is a public forum that doesn't even need a registered account to search/view threads. That would be a concern of mine, there are many people reading here that do not post, all it takes is one bad actor ti spoil the fun.

classical_Liberal
Posts: 2044
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:05 am

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by classical_Liberal »

@2B1S
Yeah, I had the same thoughts initially. Mainly thinking no one would want to participate in such a thread due to fear of doxxing. But there seemed to be a positive response.

I figured the idea of someone PMing a poster would help alleviate that concern for those who worry the most. Like if you posted a road trip near me, I could PM you with my details and availability as a guide and host.

Your right though, anyone posting openly would open up the doxxing can of worms. OTOH, without a centralized location for such posts, opportunities can easily get lost in the mess or lack of information (ie c_L would have loved to host you on that trip above). I mean, I only know where you are now because I read your journal, and I can only follow so many journals.

Do you have suggestions? a happy medium? Only travelers posting and all hosting/guide by PM back to the traveler? The issue here is I may change my travel plans if I knew there was a guide available in a different areas, ect...

I guess another question for anyone would be, how many people who would maybe like to participate, probably won't post on an open thread?

If it's the majority, then I'd tend to scrub the whole idea and try to think of a different way to get the info out.

Edited to add: I'm not a tech person. Is there an existing medium that could be used for free to put out this information in a more private manner? Like one where passwords could be issued to members here? or really anything that adds a little layer of difficulty making the casual doxxer less likely to take advantage?

Kriegsspiel
Posts: 928
Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:05 pm

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by Kriegsspiel »

jacob wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:50 am
Really?!
I mean... I knew about myself. I figured ffj would have some since he's a Kentucky redneck. All you Chicago people aren't allowed to have them, same with the Europeans. So yea, pretty surprising.*

* Check that out cL, nothing to trigger the En Ese!

RoamingFrancis
Posts: 305
Joined: Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:43 am

Re: classical_Liberal's Semi-ERE

Post by RoamingFrancis »

Riding motorcycles in the desert sounds great. Where do I sign up?

I share the concerns about privacy, but not being a tech person, have no useful suggestions.

Post Reply