ffj's early retirement

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@Bigato
They really are pretty up close, partly because of youth I guess but it's startling sometimes how pristine they look. Maybe it's because they only allow you to look at them occasionally.


Thanks Chenda. I'll probably seal the concrete, most likely with paint at some point. I've put gravel around the entire perimeter with a drain to daylight to move rainwater away from the foundation. My concrete slab is so high off of the ground that I just don't think moisture is going to be an issue, plus it's going to be a shop/garage so I can be a little bit more cavalier about it.

I am growing to absolutely love the location, it is so lush and interesting as far as plants and trees. I also have a stream running through the property with plenty of animals. I have room to experiment with different permaculture endeavors and all the room for any kind of garden I will ever want: flower, herb, vegetables, trees, shrubs, berries, etc. I plan on building a greenhouse in the future once the house is finished. I'm excited about the possibilities and my neighbors are cool. I could move out there tomorrow if everything was finished.

Now I have a nice place now, and the other day I stood in the yard and remarked in my head how nice everything looked, and for a moment I was kind of sad to let it go after all of the work I had done, but just then my horrible neighbors started beating and banging on one of their shitty trucks in their garbage dump yard and I was reminded once again why I want to leave. Moving on to better living.

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Do you have a due date in mind for moving in?
Your progress looks great and of course I realise being retired you have no need for due dates of any kind:)

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@henrik

I want the house framed and weather tight, roof and siding, windows, etc done by January. That would give me all winter to finish the inside and then hopefully move in the Spring of 2021. That's worse case scenario and I am hoping the work proceeds faster. The only real decision I have made is that I need to keep in mind that I have a home already, so if it takes longer than I think it should it doesn't really matter. The neighbors don't bother me so much anymore because I spend all of my time at the new place so that has helped tremendously.

My short turn plan is to finish the shop by June 1st and start framing the house then. Speaking of, my current progress. The winds were ferocious today so I didn't get as much done as planned, but I will soon be framing the roof.

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Looks good and its great to be able to look forward to seeing more pictures. Re. your Craislist advice:
I tend to have really good success with Craigslist and I think I know why. First of all, I am always very polite when I inquire about anything. Secondly, when I inevitably make a counter-offer for most items, but not all, I again am very polite and tell them I understand if it's too low a price and to sell it to someone else if a better offer comes along. You would be amazed how many people will take the lower price, but sometimes I lose the item. And thirdly, I keep my word about showing up and am dependable. Oh, and if I know it's a great price like the above windows, I don't haggle and insult them. I just pay what they are asking.
I am sure that all makes a lot of difference. What I also do (ebay UK) is try and tell people what I want to use something for. Engage them. If its specialist stuff I might make it clear that I am intersted in other stuff that is connected to this craft/project. I sometimes get offered extras free or at low cost that perhaps are too much effort for them to offer for sale (because low value or used quality). It also makes the buying process more interesting and makes it more enjoyable to the vendor. Its common to get an 'I'm about to also list ...' response to these overtures.

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It's a good day in Kentucky.

An honest to goodness structure is going up on your property.
The little trees are coming up.
You've got a bald eagle flying over head and snakes on their way to the pond.
The cats already love you - you can tell by looking at them. (you've named them haven't you? You can tell us)

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Are those diagonal beams that are slapped across the wood to the framing for keeping things square (3-4-5) or just for support?

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@saving

Oh yeah, just talking to people goes so, so far. My last Craigslist interaction lasted about an hour, and the guy took me into his house and showed me his shop and some of his prized tools. And I bought a couple off of him, haha. Nobody gets a good feeling selling something to a re-seller who is just going to list the item for whatever he can get out of it. But if they know you are actually going to use it then it makes them want you to have the item.

The guy I bought the wood from last year asked me to update him when I built the shop and I plan on it, as I kept his contact information. Once I frame the roof I'm going to send him a picture. I explained to him why I wanted the wood when I looked at it, told the truth, and he came down several hundred dollars from an already great price. He is actually an interesting guy, and I know he is going to enjoy knowing his efforts to salvage the wood meant something.



@Igot

I've named two of them, haha. The third is so slinky, ooh, maybe thats a good name?, that I haven't named her yet as she is always the last to appear and I don't always have the patience to wait for her. But the other two are named yellowface and mustachio, as he has a little hitler mustache on his lip. Yellowface, you guessed it, has a completely yellow face and she is always the first to come to dinner. As you can see, I'm not too clever with names. ;)

My neighbor saw the eagle the other day and said it actually landed in the field between us. He's got an Amish crew framing his house at the moment and they started pointing and gesticulating to him to look at this eagle that had just landed in the field. I'm keeping an eye out for him.

Another funny animal story: A couple of days ago I was sitting in the barn eating lunch when a groundhog (woodchuck) walked right up to my feet and looked up at me. That's when he figured out I was a person I guess and he turned tail and ran away but it was so odd and unexpected for that to have happened.



@jacob

Both. I established my corners first and they are dead plumb and correctly spaced apart. The shorter diagonals kept them secured and the longer ones are for support and the prevention of racking the whole wall out of plumb. The winds out here are intense at times and right now is a vulnerable stage of construction as the wind can undo all of your hard work very quickly. Hence the pixie sticks everywhere and so far everything has stayed true.

Once I clad the outside with plywood this structure will be almost bomb-proof but it is imperative that I double-check for square, level, and plumb before I put it on because once I do it will be impossible to change. Sometimes you'll see guys with come-alongs racking a building back into plumb or square before they clad the outside.

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Quick update. Finished the top plates and headers today and am ready for the roof.

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I am down to just a few more boards left over from the Craigslist sale. I've been selecting the best boards for other applications and I was left with a small stack of crooked boards which I fixed today. It's a really simple fix: screw a straight edge to the crooked board and use that as a guide for your circular saw. It's slow, but it creates a nice straight edge. You can then rip the board on a table saw to get a consistent width with no crookedness.

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Tomorrow I install the I-Joists.

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GREAT WORK!!

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@C40

Thanks man. I'm starting to see some results.




The wind was crazy yesterday so I mowed grass instead of building, so I did today what was supposed to happen yesterday. It's a little frustrating but there was no way in hell I would have been able to wrestle 28 foot beams with 30mph winds.

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And I nailed a center strip to keep these guys on a 4 foot center and stiffen them up a little. It will also allow me to rig something up to keep my ridge board in place while I nail my rafters.

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We are supposed to get a lot of rain starting tonight and before I start nailing rafters on I want to put some cladding on the walls so there is no chance for them to shift as it is very important that the walls remain in place. Hopefully the rain isn't too bad.




A couple of humorous animal adventures today. As I walked past my grill I heard some cheeping and I wasn't disappointed when I opened the lid.

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I guess I won't be grilling for a while. :)


Also, my dog went missing for a bit while I was working and when I turned the corner I found out why:

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The old boy was stuck and he wasn't getting out until I picked him up. I couldn't help but laugh at him, and take his picture. :D

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Are those particle board I-beams home made or an actual product? Glued, screwed, or nailed together? I assume the SPH boards are full length all across the roof, but the particle board is not?

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Jacob - you can see the joint in the 2x3 top board of the I-joist in the bottom left corner of the last pic looking over all the joists and I believe the OSB is various sections all glued together as well.

Edit to add ->ffj - I enjoy keeping up with your progress looking good!

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@ Jacob

Those are called TJI joists. They are straighter than wood joists. I've never used them for a ceiling, but plenty of floor joists. They make for a strong but bouncy floor. I'm guessing ffj is using them for ceiling joists because of a long span? Maybe a combination of long span, and high load rating for attic storage...

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@bigato

Yes, I will be building the roof also. It's going to be a simple gable with soffits.

The rafters are already cut, and assuming the carpenter who cut them was consistent they should go up relatively fast. The house they came from was exactly 28 feet wide and so is the shop.



@jacob

BMF gave a good description, as well as rigger. They are engineered floor joists for the most part, but I have seen them used as rafters too for big spans. I needed a way to tie my outside walls together while also keeping my open space below. Normally one would just order trusses but I already have all of the rafters, and I didn't want a support post and beam down the middle of the shop, so in essence I will be creating my own custom trusses. Once I show you guys how the rafters will be placed it will make sense.

@BMF

Thanks, glad you enjoy.

@rigger

It's 28 feet of span. Even if I had wanted to use dimensional lumber, I'm not sure I could have acquired anything 28 feet long. So you find them bouncy? Even with proper support underneath?




It's been raining all day but I still managed to get a little done with the cladding. Once I get a bottom row complete on all four walls I will start putting the rafters on.

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Yeah, bouncy. Not unstable, or anything, just more flexible. 2x10 wood joists vs 2x10 tji, 1.25 in t&g subflooring, walking, there is more bounce on the tji floor.

But it's not the sort of thing most people would notice. As a ceiling, it wouldn't be noticable at all, except the tji's are straighter, so your drywall will be cleaner looking.

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After two days of constant rain, I was finally able to start on the roof. It's a simple 5/12 pitch that will be on 24 inch centers.

The hardest part getting started is setting the ridge, and I just simply cut a support to put underneath it until I get my rafters started. Remember, the rafters were already cut, so all I had to do is set them as I built my building with these predetermined lengths in mind.

Tomorrow I finish setting the remainder and trim the I-beams.

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Another rained out day, but I managed a couple of tasks before the deluge.

I thought I would show you guys a trick on how not to do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nt0DT0nXq8


Anytime you throw a ladder with the feet on a slick surface, tie the ladder back so it can't kick back on you.

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Finished the rafters yesterday, but I have lots of detail work to finish before I put the metal on the roof. This weather is not helping my progress.

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Spring has sprung.

I am really enjoying the views at the new place. There is so much I still want to accomplish with the landscaping but with scenery like this I have a wonderful starting point.

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I helped my new neighbor out with his roof (he's the guy that plowed my garden earlier this year) and he has two mules that I found photogenic. Look how fat they are, haha. My neighbor jokes that these two will pull him in his funeral hearse when he dies and I think he's serious.

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The shop continues. Between the bad weather and having to mow 3 lawns not much has gotten done. But I have managed to finish the plywood sheeting and now am buttoning up the gable ends. I'll be on the roof soon.

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@bigato

Thanks. I'm starting to grow impatient at the speed of the construction. Between having to work off of ladders and scaffolding and it raining constantly ( guess what is happening right now?), I'm growing frustrated that I still don't have a roof on yet.

I did have a productive day yesterday however. The gable ends are boxed in and now I am working on trimming the rafter tails to a consistent length.

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I chose 16 inches as the length of my overhang and I basically pulled string between two set points that I measured. Then I made a simple jig to mark each rafter for cutting. That gives me a nice straight line running parallel to the sides of the shop.

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ffj wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 7:50 am
impatient at the speed of the construction
Believe me, for someone that checks in every few days to see how you're doing, the progress is impressive. Every time I visit your journal I fight the urge to go and start some new construction at my country property (new construction is fun, but I need to keep in mind I have 3 ~100yr old buildings to finish renovating). Designing and building something from scratch on a piece of land like yours is just such an inspiration.

Among the ERE journals that have been updated in the last 5 years, this one comes second only to C40's by number of views (~185K total). So clearly there have been a number of silent fans here.

Are there any fire integrity requirements for a building this size where you are?

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