Fox's Journey: And Onto the Sunlight!

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Post by Dream of Freedom » Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:20 am

slowtraveler wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:25 pm
I met many spiritual people at events, not exactly locations. Like Vipassana or a healing workshop but not a hippy, meditation-based school. There will be like minded people doing these activities, not necessarily at abc location.
Have you tried meditation or yoga classes/groups? It seems like as good of place as any to try to meet hippies and it might help with your emotional ups and downs.

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Post by TopHatFox » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:09 pm

THF reporting for dutiful sharing of new strategy:

I increased my age a few years, and replaced about half of my okcupid photos of places I’ve been to with public domain 4K iterations on the internet. I filtered all of my photos. I answered only 100 questions related to only three attributes max and placed them as very important (i.e. only answer questions with a lean on pro long term only, outdoors, kindness, and mark them as very important). I then paid for A-list. I added about a hundred key words to the bottom of my profile.

Now I’m getting dates and likes every day it seems. Much more than before. I think some ppl take this even further by replacing their profile photos with models that *look* like them. Oh. the times we live in.

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In other news, fuck you guys, do you ever get that feeling of throwing everything up in the air and living on a sailboat? Like, many days everything's fine and you’re there planning 3 years of accumulation and progressive credentialism like it’s no no big deal on your spreadsheet, then the next you’re thinking about chucking the keyboard at the nearest “hey, have you done this yet” office worker.

seriously though, working over years is hard as fuck. Not so much day to day, but the fluctuations of stress takes a toll. I have no idea how people do this shit and come out sane after 40 years.

Note to self: is looking attractive and not stressed out a privilege? In other words, I wonder if wealthy faces who’ve never worked in their life look fresher than those that have for 10 years.

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Post by Jean » Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:13 am

I feel you. Maybe you should think about changing often between minimal wage jobs, instead of following a career?

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Post by Crazylemon » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:06 am

I have had the odd day of thinking 'screw it' in a similar way to that you describe. Although not often. But then I am happy to say 'no' to the have you done yet questions and then list 5+ reasons why. Tend to get left alone then. I accept this isn't possible in jobs where there is less autonomy/increased risk of being laid off.

I think the people looking older/less attractive is probably more from the coping mechanisms with stress (Neglecting exercise/diet or choosing self medication with chemical crutch of choice) than the stress itself.

Leaving work at the door also really helps.

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Post by Gilberto de Piento » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:17 am

I increased my age a few years,
Are you saying you are lying about your age? That doesn't seem right.

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Post by TopHatFox » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:42 am

@Jean, yeah agreed, it's 10x worse being unemployed or doing minimum wage jobs. Even part-time jobs are meh in pay and still don't allow the flexibility to travel long-term. The only real solution is ERE, self-employment, or working remotely.

@Crazylemon, yeah you're probably right. I've known ppl in offices that drink after work to cope, or smoke a lot during lunch, or honestly, drink like 3-4 cups of coffee per day. I'm convinced these kinda habits are destructive af, not to mention sitting for 50 hours/week. But again, the alternative is unemployment and living off others, so the only real solution is a standing desk, green tea, and good organization in the first place to keep stress ranges low. And maybe a counselor. But then, I suppose it proves our point, wealth allows us to keep stress ranges at a lower level, which means the coping negative (or positive) coping mechanisms don't need to be started.

@Gilberto, yeah but you know what also doesn't seem right? Sitting at home with 0 women for a year. I've been re-considering age recently. Like, I am whatever age I look like at the time. I'd say the inflation of normal people by social media requires us to optimize for a literal meat market. Is what it is. Not like I use my real name, e-mail, or phone number. ( ; And, these people get the best -- kindness, care -- but I keep my job and identity safe. Ta da.

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Post by prognastat » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:33 am

When you say you filtered your photos are you talking filtering as pruning or filtering as instagram?

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Post by TopHatFox » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:34 am

Prunes definitely prunes. Gotta get only the best prune juice.

Just the filters available on the iPhone, nothing fancy.

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Post by prognastat » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:37 am

I don't know about women, but myself if I see a woman that's heavily filtering their photos it's kind of a turn off(not just about possibly getting into a relationship, but even just wanting to hang out as friends)

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Post by TopHatFox » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:42 am

Haha fair enough, we're talking just making the picture look more warm and evening out the hues, not placing bunny ears over my face.

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Post by prognastat » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:46 am

Ah, I was more thinking the filters that are intended to alter your appearance. Things like smoothing skin seems common, some even alter facial structure such as making eyes larger.

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Post by giskard » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:38 pm

TopHatFox wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:09 pm

In other news, fuck you guys, do you ever get that feeling of throwing everything up in the air and living on a sailboat? Like, many days everything's fine and you’re there planning 3 years of accumulation and progressive credentialism like it’s no no big deal on your spreadsheet, then the next you’re thinking about chucking the keyboard at the nearest “hey, have you done this yet” office worker.

seriously though, working over years is hard as fuck. Not so much day to day, but the fluctuations of stress takes a toll. I have no idea how people do this shit and come out sane after 40 years.
Yes, yes and yes. But slowly I think you can design your lifestyle to not feel like this even while working. When I switched to working remotely recently it was like night and day. Now I feel so much less stifled and I feel like I could work much longer since I can do it so much more on my own terms. Obviously not an option for everyone, but it mattered a lot of me as it turns out. I am no longer looking forward to the end of the current job / situation.

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Post by TopHatFox » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:53 am

theanimal wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:39 pm
ETA: THF- You have more assets than almost anyone your age and most people of all ages. Most people are not masters educated. You are smart, creative and adaptable. Do NOT create artificial barriers preventing your own success. There are plenty of opportunities out there. Go WEST!
I willllll. But I actually don't think I have much. I hear that most people are broke as shit and can't put a few hundred dollars together, but I can't, for example:

1. Purchase a house in most places
2. Spend $200 on a renaissance fair willy nilly
3. Own a car if I want to without sacrificing 1/4 of my annual saving
4. Live off my current portfolio at $2400/yr at 3% SWR without having someone in my room or getting free food
5. Get a job easily anywhere

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Honestly, I still feel like I don't have much at all! I'm just at the beginning. I think the stages are something like this:

1. -40000: survival mode, fuck me
2. 0: At least I'm not in the red
3. 10,000: I can stop worrying about rent and food for a while
4. 100,000: I can move and start a new life anywhere
5. 200,000: I can consider living off my portfolio as a student, thru hiker, or van dweller
6. 300,000: I can consider living off my portfolio as a student, thru hiker, or van dweller with more luxuries
7. 400,000: I can live off my portfolio in a small house somewhere out west
8. 500,000: I can live in an optimized household in most places
9. 1M: I can live a standard middle-class lifestyle in most places
10. 2-3M: I can do whatever the fuck I want, within reason.

I think there's also a progression timeline for education

1. HS: screwed, plug into the VR escape maxhine
2. BA: If STEM, repetitive work; if humanities, office work if you're lucky, 40K
3. MA: If Stem, you can really get paid a lot; if humanities, 60K
4. Phd: If Stem, more $; if humanities, I don't know 80K

And finally one for experience:

1. 0 experience: I can't work most places
2. Internships: I can try to convince someone to hire me
3. 1 year: At least I can say I stayed for a year
4. 2 years: Good, but not that great
5. 3 years: Perfect time to jump
6. 5 years: All around expert in the field

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So, I'm between 3 and 4 in the money category, between 2 and 3 in the education, and between 2 and 3 in the experience category. That solidly puts me at: good, but still not very strong.

I guess MMM is right to some degree, life really does start at 30 at the earliest. Maybe that's melodramatic, but it's true: everything before then is just gaining the money, education, and experience to be able to build your own life at 30 at the earliest. If you're smart, you're able to integrate work and play, but man, that is a lot harder to put into practice than one would think.

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Post by prognastat » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:12 am

Well most people don't have 10k-100k saved up. That puts you well ahead in the game of life and pretty early in life.

Generally for FI you can either work longer at something enjoyable, shorter at something less enjoyable. Or you can do the semi-FIRE where you work fewer hours per week, but for more years.

It's pretty rare to be able to do something you continue to enjoy long term and makes you buckets of money to get to FI quickly.

I've decided for the focus on more income to shorten the accumulation phase over finding something more enjoyable, but this all depends on your disposition.

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Post by Stahlmann » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:21 pm

just s... be happy with what you have.
you can give 1k to your parents and save 2k USD/mo working for most imperialist country in the world.
it's (mostly) only available for people with one of the 27 special digits combination in the passport....
(https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php)
500$ is rather king lifestyle in most SEA countries.
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Post by TopHatFox » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:29 pm

@Stalhman, that's always good context yeah.

I wonder if I can use my MPA with an international focus to get an American median salary in SE Asia or something. I don't really have many college friends left at this point that I talk to regularly (maybe 2 max), and I've never been one to miss parents, so it might be a good way to stretch out each dollar and increase access to women.

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Also, people earn 60K in Iceland and 75K on average in Norway. That's interesting.

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Post by cmonkey » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:15 pm

The first 100K is a bitch. After that it goes a lot quicker.

Yea I have times when I'm content plodding along on my path for weeks on end and then a few days will show up where I am about ready to just call it quits. It's best not to let a few bad days throw off a well thought out plan, however. Just try to remember the bigger picture in that you actually don't have to do this stuff for 40+ years.

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Post by TopHatFox » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:18 pm

cmonkey wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:15 pm
The first 100K is a bitch. After that it goes a lot quicker.

Yea I have times when I'm content plodding along on my path for weeks on end and then a few days will show up where I am about ready to just call it quits. It's best not to let a few bad days throw off a well thought out plan, however. Just try to remember the bigger picture in that you actually don't have to do this stuff for 40+ years.
Cool, glad to see it's not just me. It's true man, it's a few days that make the whole full-time work path feel insurmountable. I feel like living within walking distance to work would help, at least you can create a tighter bubble of comfort around the discomfort of working on difficult projects at work. It does seem like the first 100K is a PITA. Significant, yet not enough to live off of.

What are some of the strategies that you use to get through the hard days?

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Post by prognastat » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:33 pm

It eventually gets to the point where your returns start making your contributions look insignificant in comparison.

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Post by cmonkey » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:37 am

TopHatFox wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:18 pm
What are some of the strategies that you use to get through the hard days?
It's gotten a lot better since switching jobs to 100% telecommute, but this is just a result of my personality type and being very introverted. I also used to dread the commute like the plague. Not having to deal with traffic and co-workers is amazing. I'll never go back to an office setting - ever.

At this point it's that I will have a few days where work just becomes an annoyance because I have other things I want to do instead. The further along I get, the less priority I feel like putting on work activities, but this clashes with the realization that I need to do the work to get paid. Like right now - it's 8:30 and.... oh yea I have this work thing I need to go do..... :roll:

I try to remember just how short this time is, and that I do have control of my time each day, even if I have to do something I wouldn't normally want to do without being paid.

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