Suomalaisen Päiväkirja

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Thanks for sharing, Suo. Wishing you and your family the best, and hoping for as speedy and amicable a resolution as is possible for something so difficult.

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After carefully thinking Suo’s situation, I believe his root problem is lack of capability to sense empathy. This makes his life similar to an elephant in a glass house. Propably he has chosen law practising as profession because it is an area of life where empathy has no role. Also his love for nature can be explained as nature has no empathy, so it is perfect sanctuary.

Assuming the above is true, the logical thing for him would be to hire an assistant to act as a surrogate for sensing empathy. His wife or some of his children would be natural candidates for that purpose.

What Suo is currently doing is exactly opposite. He is pushing his wife further away from himself by creating intentional conflict.

My recommendation would be Suo to open up to his wife and ask her help in explaining how and why different people behave as they behave (case by case, when situations come)

Woody Allen has a classic movie about a movie director who becomes temporarily blind but hiding blindness still keeps going and manages to direct the movie with the help of some trusted (surrogate) people as his eyes.

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Nuuka wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:57 am
Woody Allen has a classic movie about a movie director who becomes temporarily blind but hiding blindness still keeps going and manages to direct the movie with the help of some trusted (surrogate) people as his eyes.
Not to go all higher film criticism on you, but In the future, it might be more effective using the artistic work of a man/woman not frighteningly devoid of empathy as an example of how not to be devoid of empathy.

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Gravy Train wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:39 am
I have to respectfully disagree here, Nuuka. Based off of Suo's comments in my own journal and elsewhere, I've found him to be very empathetic. I also disagree that lawyers are not empathetic nor do they need to be so; my experience has been quite the opposite, regardless of their specialty (finance, PI, etc.). That's kind of part of the gig. To be able to put yourself in another's shoes and argue eloquently on another's behalf requires at least some empathy, don't you think?
Be careful. If you read carefully, Suo is symphatetic towards to the reader not to his family. Being able to address private discussion typical to narcistic persons are capable of entering inside your skin.

About your point about attorneys in general being polite and synphatetic it has no relevance to Suo’s case. Of course they are trained with their opening speeches and customary responses. Suo as intelligent has surely learnd those and can play the ordinary cases.

Apologies, but I found nothing to weaken my case.
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Jason wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:25 am
Not to go all higher film criticism on you, but In the future, it might be more effective using the artistic work of a man/woman not frighteningly devoid of empathy as an example of how not to be devoid of empathy.
I agree that Woody is not in the best reputation because of the Mia Farrow dispute and the love affair with the chinese origin minor. I am aware of that.

But I still think considering the string of movies that Woody has produced that he clearly proofs capability of understanding complexity of human life and nuances of it. Perhaps the artist has to go to the bottom to truly understand life. Anyway, I think this movie gives Suo a chance (assuming that I am right on the diagnosis)

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So Suo is a sociopath and he can be reformed by watching Woody Allen movies. If only there was another filmmaker who understood the complexity of human life to make a movie about that.

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I think we should stop shrinking Suo. He’s unhappy and just needs a place to vent. We’ve all been there.

Only he can decide what’s best. I hope he finds a way to get happy (no matter what it is).

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Jason wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:25 am
Not to go all higher film criticism on you, but In the future, it might be more effective using the artistic work of a man/woman not frighteningly devoid of empathy as an example of how not to be devoid of empathy.
Yeah what’s next, quoting Aristotle or Casanova as you ask about IVF and freezing a woman’s eggs?
Jason wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:43 pm
So Suo is a sociopath and he can be reformed by watching Woody Allen movies. If only there was another filmmaker who understood the complexity of human life to make a movie about that.
I’m still young Jason.
Nuuka wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:57 am
Woody Allen has a classic movie about a movie director who becomes temporarily blind but hiding blindness still keeps going and manages to direct the movie with the help of some trusted (surrogate) people as his eyes.
Not the same film but of interest:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2dD7upKpLks
jennypenny wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:48 pm
I think we should stop shrinking Suo. He’s unhappy and just needs a place to vent. We’ve all been there.

Only he can decide what’s best. I hope he finds a way to get happy (no matter what it is).
Suo. I understand you need to vent, my friend. I am sorry about the HORROR. :lol: :lol:

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I, for one, hope Suo never gets happy. Well, let me take that back. I hope he becomes happy, but then winds up sad again. Like a cycle. That to me is optimal Suo.

But if people believe strapping him to a chair and Kubricking him to a weekend of "Take The Money and Run" will help, I can well, empathize.

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Jason wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:43 pm
So Suo is a sociopath and he can be reformed by watching Woody Allen movies. If only there was another filmmaker who understood the complexity of human life to make a movie about that.
I think the openess of the relation between Suo and Mrs Suo is the key to the future. In a way I think Suo was also seeking for this openess. Instead of demanding (for Mrs Suo to change), he should be asking for help (from Mrs Suo to interprete empathy signals from Suo’s life stream).
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I don't know. I don't really see Suo as a Jane Austen type of guy. Unless you can work in some Fight Club. Maybe remove that ballroom shit and replace it with some bare knuckle action. I could see that working.

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Jane Austen? I dropped the ball

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Good. Now just throw in a fight scene.

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Jesus Christ. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Get the fuck out of my journal.

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In all due respect, you could show some empathy on the matter. We're just trying to help.

Have you seen "Broadway Danny Rose?" I think it might worth your time.

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@Jason:

:lol: :!:

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How about The Purple Rose of Cairo?

Suo do you want your life to be real or to be fantasy?

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Okay, I think this -> viewtopic.php?f=24&t=10966 was a hint to continue the trend of the last ~24 hrs' worth of posts elsewhere.

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In summation, I would suggest that although having some Interiors moments, the entire work most closely resembled Bananas.

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Re: Suomalaisen Päiväkirja

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Don’t get dissuaded by (Finnish) trolls. It was a very insightful post about a topic very close to my situation. Thank you for sharing.

Again I am benefitting from your 1,5 Jacobs of therapy...

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