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@Ego- I didn't think there were any around but it does appear that there is one on the other side of town. They have flexible pricing options so it might be worthwhile for at least part of each month. Otherwise I guess I could consider coffee shops, I have seen people working there. I tried the library for a while last winter, but I didn't find it to be the greatest spot for interacting with others. Anyways, thanks for the suggestion.

@THF- Canada is almost impossible to live in long term if you aren't a resident and I have no interest in living permanently outside the US. I like Montana, but it is still too civilized for my tastes.

It comes down to what I've talked about on this board for the past few years in searching for a tribe. I had a tribe in high school, college and right after. For the past 3.5 years I haven't found a tribe and have no practical idea of establishing one outside of joining the military. The summer forestry work I've done comes close in that I'm with the same group of people for an extended period with a shared, specific mission but its temporary.

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@theanimal
Just playing a bit of devils advocate here, but how old are you now? Late 20’s?

I’m 43 and been single (ie no serious gf) for probably 15 of the last 20 years. Of that time I lived with a roommate maybe another 1.5 yrs. so for the majority I was alone. I noticed a huge shift from about 27-8 onward. “Tribes” for males really started to evaporate as we reached the age of traditional marriage/family. Sure, maybe a weekly card game or softball league, but mostly people went their own ways. People just become overwhelmed with career and family. This was true for urban, small college city, and rural. Admittedly it was all in the Midwest USA. In some circumstance, with a ton of effort, I had community feeling, but not that sense of a tribe I had earlier in life.

I guess I’m just trying to say that the grass always seems greener. Obviously if it’s a relationship with a female significant other, Fairbanks is about the worst geographic choice. However, I’m not sure a geographic change is gonna help you with “tribe”. Maybe that’s just a natural for men in 30-40s? Maybe that’s a contribution to the overall life satisfaction dip men see in those age ranges as well? IDK? I do know the best friendship relationships I’ve had over the past decade have been as either a mentor or mentee(is that a word?). Those have tended to be deep and last the test of time/geographic distance. But they were mostly individuals not a group of friends or the like.

If you figure this out, let me know!

Ps I totally “grok” what you mean about needing a certain amount of human interaction without depression, so it’s not like I’m an introvert and have purposely avoided people the past 10-15 years.

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I do want to point out also that having a 10,000 lumen lamp helped A TON with depression. Best $200 ever spent. You still need people in your life though. Not necessarily a community, but gfs and affection sound nice. Not having one for 15 years sounds...awful, frankly. But some people have the magic gift of not feeling lonely/needing meaningful social interaction. Lucky sons a b's

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@tophatfox
What I consider a serious relationship is living with a SO. This definition is also colored with age. At this point anything less than that was just dating or hanging out, or whatever the term is these days. I had a ton of those. The reason I want to clarify is because finding a run-of-the-mill romantic relationship was waaay easier from late 20,s to present than finding a great group of male friends (or non romantic female friends) to call a “tribe”. Which is why I think geographic change will help dating, but probably not tribe.

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@Bigato- I agree with what you're saying. I don't think I can achieve long lasting contentment from other people and have continued to work on developing myself so that I'm satisfied without depending on others. But I have also found that to be true only to a certain extent, at least for me. For example, there was a stretch recently where over the course of ~12 days I had ~3 hrs interaction with people. This includes being around people, talking to others etc etc. The other 280 some hours I was completely by myself. I know there are a lot of introverts on this board but at least for me this behavior is nowhere near desirable or mentally healthy. That's why I struggle to see increasing my social interaction as a reliance on others for happiness. I think it is more of fulfilling my fundamental human need for social interaction rather than a dependence on others. Hence why solitary confinement is in the upper echelons of punishment for most humans. Maybe you can show me where I'm wrong.

Yes, I realize I am blocking myself by limiting myself at the moment to this one geographic area. It's something I'll have to continue to explore going forward. I appreciate the advice.

@CL- I'm 26 soon to be 27. Yes, to a great extent I agree with your viewpoint. I have heard from some friends back in Chicago who have the same difficulty, but then again there are others who have a group of guys they regularly hang out with. Nothing's certain. I'm at the age where most of my friends are married or are in the process of getting married and am experiencing similar things to what you've described. For whatever reason, it sure seems that most men are content to stop being as social outside their household once married or in a serious relationship. I would have a hard time believing that this didn't cause a dip in life satisfaction but as you said who knows? I was talking to a friend about this issue recently and was told that I had it all figured out, that I structured my life in order to maximize for quality of life rather than quantity of possessions/status etc. But I found it doesn't matter if I figure it out if (seemingly) everybody else is pursuing normal life of busyness leaving me on a social island. It's like I have a commune styled life without the commune haha.

Have your mentor/mentee relationships been career related? If not, what was the source?

@THF- I haven't had a girlfriend in almost 10 yrs. AMA

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+1 for what CL said about tribes evaporating. At some point people just don't seem to want to hang out anymore unless it is something for the kids. I think this is more for men than women.

I don't mean to be discouraging but it sounds like there is a trade off happening. Your job has things going for it but doesn't bring any contact with people. Your location has things going for is but is isolated. You may have to give up some things to get others.

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Social interaction is an odd need. I find that for myself being in the presence of another person even if we're not directly interacting is often enough to quench the need. Having a live-in GF is helpful that way. I also find that dissatisfying social interaction will still satisfy the need. Though I suppose that could be as much from relief for freedom as fulfillment of need.

I have had the same experience with the evaporation of tribes and I don't know what the solution is. I try to keep some amount of connection together with people I'd like to have connection with and am generally met with, at best, unwillingness to make time. The only foolproof solution is to continue working on oneself in an attempt to loosen the coupling between the availability of people who both find me interesting and who I find interesting and my general life experience. @bigato's comment above was somewhat reassuring to that end.

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@CL- I'm 26 soon to be 27. Yes, to a great extent I agree with your viewpoint. I have heard from some friends back in Chicago who have the same difficulty, but then again there are others who have a group of guys they regularly hang out with. Nothing's certain. I'm at the age where most of my friends are married or are in the process of getting married and am experiencing similar things to what you've described. For whatever reason, it sure seems that most men are content to stop being as social outside their household once married or in a serious relationship. I would have a hard time believing that this didn't cause a dip in life satisfaction but as you said who knows? I was talking to a friend about this issue recently and was told that I had it all figured out, that I structured my life in order to maximize for quality of life rather than quantity of possessions/status etc. But I found it doesn't matter if I figure it out if (seemingly) everybody else is pursuing normal life of busyness leaving me on a social island. It's like I have a commune styled life without the commune haha.

@THF- I haven't had a girlfriend in almost 10 yrs. AMA
Yeah, 25-30 does seem to be the time when people start shacking up. I'm starting to see the theme come up more & more. I think I read somewhere that if they don't but wanted to, the people available after 30 are "damaged goods" in some way, so that's an interesting generalization lol. At the very least, you'll have to decide on whether you want to raise someone else's kid, which sounds pretty bad considering I (we?) don't even want our own kids. Still, it also seems like the age to shack up is increasing, maybe to 30-35, 'cause Millennials in part tend to focus on their education/careers, so I dunno.

@the animal, 10 yrs, dang dude, I struggled with 1 year during braces-land. How'd you cope with lack of physical intimacy? Or even emotional intimacy; it seems a lot harder to open up to dudes than it does to women? Maybe having access to breath-taking hikes helps? I've noticed that relationships almost seem required to be happy long-term as a cube-dweller in some shitty atomized metropolitan area.

On the idea of tribes, it seems like more and more of our interactions are now online? For instance, more and more people talking about whatever on Reddit, FB, Instagram, and so on, rather than going down to the pub or to a restaurant to talk? I guess it's a lot easier: you just have to type stuff, rather than get the car going, driving, finding parking, paying for the meal/alcohol, etc.

Maybe virtual reality will help make the feeling of tribes return, but the lack of ability to give someone a hug or even a handshake is still an important part of social interaction.

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A couple of professional, but mostly in personal sphere. People love to share personal skills and knowledge, if you are willing to learn. Willingness/openness to learn is rare these days, so generally people are excited to have someone that really listens to what they know. Great way for relationships to form.

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Animal, your journal is always so interesting. After reading the more recent posts, I had SO many thoughts. Alas, 99% of them are useless due to our difference in age, gender, life choices and geography. I'm left with a few paltry contributions:

1. Gender never seemed important to me pre-Facebook, and I had few female friends. Well...to be accurate, I had only 2 friends outside of DH. One was female and one was a gay male. Now it's apparent that women online tend to support and validate each other to an astonishing degree (whereas my gay male friend is SUCH a jerk :lol: ). *I love him, of course.

2. I tend to agree with the suggestion that other places have something to offer. There is a huge world outside of Alaska (as incredibly beautiful as your home obviously is). Maybe you should check it out and come back? Imagine your ideal woman. Would she assume that there was nothing better than Alaska (you), or would she have sampled other places (people) and decided that this place (you) was what she wanted? I'm trying to project here. ;)

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I know its commonplace for tribes to evaporate as time goes on but perhaps I hold out hope because I see people up here and others online who have been able to maintain these relationships throughout adulthood. Often they seem to center on one specific activity. For example, there's one guy up here that I've looked up to as one of the top adventurers within the state. He's about 10 yrs my senior and thrives in the outdoors with other people. He's been able to make it work having these groups of friends/acquaintances go on trips year after year. We've talked about it before and he definitely has the advantage of living in a more populated area than I do. I think some other components are helping others and waving your flag loudly. It does seem far more likely to maintain some form of tribe if there is a continual activity/event/thing to bond over rather than the normal situation for most in heading out drinking on the weekends. That part makes sense why it would decline with age.

@bigato- I don't think you are far off. I find it harder to connect with other people on a long term basis than what it appears for most people. I hold some irrational stigma against seeing a therapist, but I'll consider seeing one. I do think it would help. Thanks.

@Cheepnis- It is odd and I've found the same to be true. Between living in the urban area I'm at now and when I was in the Arctic, there have been equivalent stretches of time with very minimal human interaction. In the Arctic, that eventually drove me to the brink of losing my mind, whereas here it's nowhere close to that. Even though my interactions might just be something basic like being in traffic, at the library or grocery checkout. I'm not saying it's a healthy practice or even sufficient for mental health, but even the act of just seeing people seems to have an effect.

@THF- Well, I don't smoke, drink or do drugs so perhaps plain old mental toughness. I do work out a lot which probably helps. But just because I'm not dating women doesn't mean I can't talk to them. Most of my close friends are women who I have no problem talking to. I do have a couple guys as well that I can talk to about anything. Everything that's been discussed in this journal has been discussed in real life with at least 1-2 other people.


@Halfmoon- Thank you! Always appreciate your comments. I'm not sure I understand your 2nd to last sentence. I think it's about exploring other places and then deciding based off a greater understanding? Most of the time I really am content here. I'd say it's somewhere in the range of 30% of days that I'm not. It's a stark contrast to when I was living further north where that number was probably greater than 80% and the level of discontentment was magnitudes worse. I don't think I'm that far off from achieving the life I want here with some minor changes. Maybe I'm being naive and stubborn again. IDK. I'll try to keep an open mind and what you said in mind going forward.

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Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:18 pm

@Halfmoon- Thank you! Always appreciate your comments. I'm not sure I understand your 2nd to last sentence. I think it's about exploring other places and then deciding based off a greater understanding? Most of the time I really am content here. I'd say it's somewhere in the range of 30% of days that I'm not. It's a stark contrast to when I was living further north where that number was probably greater than 80% and the level of discontentment was magnitudes worse. I don't think I'm that far off from achieving the life I want here with some minor changes. Maybe I'm being naive and stubborn again. IDK. I'll try to keep an open mind and what you said in mind going forward.
@animal, I'm not sure I understand it either. :roll: I was trying to say (with no particular knowledge on my part) that you might, given your choices, be attracted to women with a spirit of adventure. Living in Alaska, while incredibly adventurous, is just one manifestation of that. If you step outside your own chosen adventure and try another, you might more easily find a soulmate to drag back to your cave. ;) Of course, there's always the chance that she'll drag you back to her cave, and you'll find yourself living in another place entirely. Such is the nature of adventure.

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I got a puppy in early November. An 8 week old Alaskan Husky. He’s descended from a couple of well known mushing lines up here. The owner said that this was a surprise litter of 6 so he gave away all but 2. He’s very well behaved and really good looking. One of my friends calls him a designer puppy. As I’ve stated previously, my current situation has me in long stretches of time where I am on my own. I’ve thought off and on about the possibility of getting a dog for the past year but didn’t feel like pulling the trigger. I thought it’d be too much of an anchor. So much of my life over the past few years has been about embracing optionality and forgoing strong attachments. While that has brought me fun adventures, I haven’t quite found what I’ve been seeking so I decided to take on a different tack and take on some anchors. The puppy being number 1. He’s very well behaved, doesn’t stray and is quiet. Apart from a short stretch of him eating his own shit daily, he couldn’t have been better. Now ~4 months in I’m glad I got him. I was uncertain at first but having to take care of some other living creature other than myself has had its advantages. It keeps me from getting sucked to far in to work and forces me to go outside and take daily walks. I still have left multiple times from a few days to a couple weeks leaving him with friends without problems. In fact, his behavior has only gotten better each time I’ve left so I’ve said that maybe I should leave more frequently.

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He started jumping up on the door and looking in the window when he wanted to be let in around 4 months old. I find it hilarious.

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In November I went down to Boulder for a week and stayed with my pilot friend who I visited earlier in the summer at Lake Clark. He was looking to build time so we split costs and flew all over the front range area. It’s so much easier to fly outside Alaska! The area brought new lessons as well as I experienced much stronger winds than what I had previously, used a fuel injected engine and had a greater focus on mixture use due to the high altitude. It ended up being cheaper per hour for me to fly there than at home here in Fairbanks with all travel costs included (even airfare). Kinda crazy.

I bought property as mentioned in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11156. 2 acres of land about ~10 miles outside of town. Very close to where I’m currently living. The plan as of now is to build myself a home this summer. I have very little building experience so it will be a steep learning curve. I’m still exploring building options but have an idea of the general layout and features that I’d want. This includes radiant floor heating, composting toilet and an orientation of seating that is beneficial for gatherings/meals/conversation with others.

I left for a couple weeks around the holidays to visit family back in Chicago and then my dad took all my siblings and myself to Mexico for a vacation. He lives quite a different lifestyle than I do and it is not something I seek to emulate but it was still very enjoyable. 11 hours of sun and 70+ degree days in the middle of winter, who could imagine such luxuries. Going so many other places the past few months has cemented the fact that the demographics are working against me dating wise here in Fairbanks. There are so many women outside Alaska! And so many are very attractive! It seriously surprises me every time from the moment I walk through SeaTac/O’Hare. I could see myself living elsewhere but I still want to live here for at least the medium term. This area (Northern AK) is unlike anywhere else I’ve been. It’s certainly civilized but there is a wildness/frontier undercurrent to it that differentiates it from just about anywhere else of similar or greater size.

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I haven’t been doing too much outdoors. January was very cold. There were only 5 days that went above 0 F (warmest being 4 F) and the average daily high was something like -22 F. The past 60 days here has been the 3rd coldest stretch in the past ~50 years. Lots of days and nights ranging from 30 to 40 below. I spent last week as a ski coach for this non profit organization that travels to many of the native villages in the state. Three people are assigned go a village for a week, live at the school and teach the kids to ski/play various games. I went to a village in western Alaska on the Yukon River with a few hundred residents. It was OUTSTANDING! I love working with kids and loved being out in rural Alaska again. I had such a great week and am looking into doing more this winter and changing some of my long term plans to work with others. I’ve reached out to an organization that does wilderness therapy with youth in the state for possible work as a guide.

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This most recent trip has only further emphasized my desire for community and tribe. We’ve discussed previously that such things are more likely when you are young and fade away with time. Yet, I’ve experienced multiple instances of such tribes/communities for those who are much older. There was a potlatch that we were invited to the other night and I talked with a longtime resident who had moved to the area. He talked about how early in life he had lived in cities, but no matter where he lived, he lived in a neighborhood. He had a community he could be a part of and feel useful in. This is easy in small towns where everything is centralized and everyone knows/knows of each other. Not so easy throughout most of America where poorly designed planning has led to people living far from each other/everything and having to drive everywhere. I’m not sure what to make of this yet, but I do know that under the right circumstances, there is nowhere I love more than rural Alaska.

I’ve continued doing jiu jitsu and am really enjoying it. I got my first submission a little over a month in which was a huge boost in confidence. As the movements and information comes together it becomes a really rewarding and stimulating activity. I know of nothing else that requires so much physical and mental effort. Jiu jitsu and the puppy have been the greatest factors in my more level mood the past few months. I’ve certainly had less low spots. There’s not too much time to moan and mope about when you have to take care of something else or you’re engaged in a physical and close activity with others. They still surface though, especially when I don’t engage in an adequate amount of physical activity and I am scheduled to see a therapist starting this week in hopes of getting better acquainted with myself (Thanks, @bigato).

The rest of my winter is kind of up in the air. I’m going to Hawaii in a couple weeks with some friends who are helping their parents build a house. It’s my first time going and I’m really looking forward to it. Otherwise possibly a hot springs ski trip in April and/or a caribou hunt. Maybe some flying if the weather and my plans align. It’s a relief to have gotten through the darkness again. You don’t realize how much of an effect it has until the sun returns or you go elsewhere during that time. But the light is returning so quickly, sunglasses are necessary again and the warm season is almost upon us once more!

Thanks for reading.

Jason

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My wife was selling organic products a few years back and one of her offerings was a dry dog shampoo. She had a few regular customers in Alaska who owned Wooly Malamutes. Just throwing it on and brushing it off their coats offered maintenance between full blown baths.

That is a cute ass doggie. Looks like he'll be a nice companion. And of course, chicks dig cute ass doggies.

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Hey @theanimal, wanted to nudge you for an update now that winter has passed and you've hopefully thawed. Did you end up taking the trip to Hawaii before COVID-19 madness struck? Still enjoying fatherhood (pup)? Really enjoy following your journal for all these years. The pictures are great, but you have a natural way with words that paints an even more vivid picture of the places you're going and things you're doing.

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@2birds- Thank you for the nudge and the kind words.

Like most, I haven't had much activity the past couple months. It is a more relaxed environment up here, even with the virus since we have so much space. Outdoor activities aren't impacted at all so I spent time enjoying the trails during the winter and now more remote gravel roads now that things have pretty much melted out. There was some great crust throughout the past month which created phenomenal conditions for fatbiking and skiing. The only thing of my regular schedule that I've had to discontinue is jiu jitsu. Otherwise work, socializing, therapist (remotely) and outdoor activities have not been affected. I am very fortunate.

I had increased time spent working over the winter and my reading pace dropped as a result. I used to be like 2-3 books a week and it dropped to 1 at best. I've made it more of a priority the past couple months. Here are some of the books I really enjoyed.
-The Raw Shark Texts
-What I Talk About When I Talk About Running
-Barbarian Days
-The Spirit of St. Louis
-Women Who Love Too Much (h/t @bigato)
-Power of Bad (h/t @jp)
-Across the fence
-Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
-Never Split the Difference (reread)

Hawaii
I did end up going to Hawaii, arriving back home about a little over a week before the mayhem hit in the US. I really, really enjoyed it. My friend’s parents live in a rural location on and surrounded by farms. For such a small place, the diversity of the landscape is incredible. IIRC, there are 7 different biomes on the Big Island alone, and the transitions are stark. Inland from the western coast is primarily composed of lava rock, slowly transitioning to grass over lava rock and then abruptly transitioning to tropical forest. We spent a couple of nice days at the beach, swimming in the waves, doing some underwater rock sprints, snorkeling and enjoying the sun. Other days included things like hiking down into more remote valleys, a day hiking around Volcano National park, meeting up with an old friend who had moved to the island and spearfishing for prawns at night in the local creek.

The lifestyle very much reminded me of that of Alaska. The rural life where people are laid back, free to pursue their interests and live in alternative ways. Much of the area I was in was off grid and my friend’s parents lived in a greenhouse! That was cool to see. The issue living in Northern Alaska (on grid or not) is water. Hawaii has an abundance of water while still having enough sunny days to primarily power with solar and a warm climate to make HVAC uneccessary. Utopia?

My friend’s parents are older (mid 70s) and her dad reminded me a lot of my grandpa. Very thoughtful about what he is saying and looking to add value to the conversations around him. On the last day of the trip, I was talking with him on the beach about future plans and concerns. He began this monologue of advice that has been stuck in my head since, something along the lines of “You just have to go do it, the animal. Make what you want to do happen. Nobody is going to do it for you and people are just interested in themselves. You have to put yourself out there and be interested in other people. The attention starts to wane once you start talking about yourself. Go do it.” That was a good day to end on and I hope (plan?) to return.

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I’ve become much more attached to my puppy over the past couple months. It definitely has been a learning experience. I found that I became really angry once he started getting older and did something bad/disobeyed me. This was very startling to me as I’m not prone to anger in almost any other part of my life. I had to confront this and talked with my therapist about it. A lot of it seems to stem from me wanting some situation that is not in tune to reality. Realizing what actually is creates a greater sense of appreciation and far less frustration (this works with people too). We go out daily for long walks/runs/bike rides and now that things have thawed he is a huge fan of the water, which I find to be very amusing for a husky. @Jason’s suggestion for waterless shampoo has been a great help and keeps him smelling good.

Summer
  • Later this month I’ll be leaving on a ~3 week, ~350 mile hiking/packrafting trip from Alaska’s mainland to along the coast. Somewhat similar to a trip I did two years ago. I’ll be going with two close friends and potentially an acquaintance (friend?) that I very much look up to. No trails, no roads, no towns until we hit our destination. It will be an intense experience in ridiculously beautiful country and one I am very much looking forward to.
  • Housing plans are coming along. I’ve finalized how I want the interior to look and I have a plan in place for building. Many people have offered help so I’m hoping for it to go quickly. I’ve decided to go with somewhat of a kit. The framing is in panels so it’s just a matter of attaching and putting the rest together. The company claims 3 people can get a dried out shell (foundation/framing w exterior/windows+doors/roof) up in a weekend. I’m waiting on things to dry out so the gravel pad and driveway can be placed. There is also no power to the property so I have to put in an application with the electrical company and put up a house pole.
  • I wasn’t planning on doing forestry work this summer but there was a positive changeup in management and the new directors were asking me to come on. So I agreed to a short term stint (no more than 90 days) starting in early July.
  • After my first work hitch I’ll be embarking on one of the activities I’ve been looking forward to most, set netting for king salmon. As I believe I mentioned previously, last fall I set gill nets and caught lots of salmon, pike, whitefish and burbot. I recently acquired a new (massive) net that will allow me to fish for king salmon. There is no cost for the permit and there is no limit to the amount you can catch. This fishing has become much easier the past couple years as my knowledge and experience dramatically increased. I’d have it made like a king if only I was as good a hunter as I am at fishing. Hopefully soon…
Thanks for reading. Hope everyone stays and remains healthy and can enjoy the warmer weather.

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Sounds like you still have a lot going on and are living well. Great work

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Below is a recent version of my interior house plan. It includes everything except a wood stove. I'm still debating between wood stove and a wood cookstove. If I went with the wood cookstove and eliminate the stove pictured below and be placed somewhere on the same wall. Whereas if I just went with the wood stove (non cook) I'd likely put it somewhere in front of the shower wall. I'd likely have to move the cabinet to the to the front wall to make for adequate space. I'd supplement the wood cook stove with a solar oven, induction burner and a grill.

So far I'm thinking of going with the small 4 cubic foot refrigerator that Alphaville suggested and placing it underneath a counter. I'm planning on going with a battery bank with an array of 1-1.2 kw solar panels supplemented by generator during the few months of winter. My energy needs will be at the lowest during that period with the biggest consumption being my laptop and occasionally monitor.

Part of me is displeased with myself and thinking I'm going too large size wise. That same half is discouraged at my use of a kit, thinking that I'm overpaying for something that can be done simpler and for a cheaper price if done on my own. The other part is thinking that it will be the perfect size. The total housing costs once everything is done should come out around $20k. I'm mostly pleased with the time savings of a kit and a still reasonable cost of building. There are those niggling thoughts though.

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Dimensions are 20x16 with a 20x8 covered front deck.
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We use a 4cuft undercounter fridge as well. The benefits are numerous. If it breaks, it can be replaced for $150. It holds just enough leftovers for two people to avoid things going bad because they're hidden out of sight. We have very few things in our fridge that spend more than a week in it (mostly ketchup and pickles). It's not loud and electricity usage is minimal. It also frees up a lot of space in a small kitchen not to have one of those giant multidoor fridges. The downside is that the freezer (if it has one) sucks.

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Re: the animal's journal

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Yes, I'm hoping to find one without a freezer for exactly that reason. The freezer compartment is far too small to be practical. The only thing I'm wondering about is eggs. I usually get 5 dozen at a time. I don't think the box would fit in a 4 cu ft but perhaps I can rearrange them and transfer to a different storage medium. IIRC, eggs sold in the store can't stay unrefrigerated for more than a few days.

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