mooretrees journal

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Frita
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Shopping is overrated, especially when one stops doing it unnecessarily. Enjoy!
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I finished Akratic's journal several days ago. What a fantastic guy he seemed to be. It was a really fun read, until the last post. And it would be nice to hear he was doing ok. What it made me think and reflect on, is that while people talk about ERE in the forum and are doing it, it doesn't seem like too many people have really reached the low spending and life satisfaction that Jacob has achieved. Maybe some of that is the basic human condition of taking our whole lives to learn how to deal with our emotions, history and learn from our mistakes?

Do people do the web of goals and not talk about it? I still don't have a solid idea of how to pursue this.

I also read about and am experiencing it bit myself, the disconnection that comes from pursuing ERE. When I told my mom we where considering a buy nothing year she laughed. Another one of my silly ideas. I wasn't surprised or really bothered by it, we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things. But that last post of Akratic about how hard it was to connect to people has stuck with me. I am not a lone wolf that doesn't need anyone. I mean, I really need like 6 people, most everyone else is not essential. And I am scared that I'll lose my connection with my two essential friends (sister and best friend) as I get deeper into ERE. But, those relationships have survived kids and a big move away being so close to them. I think I should be more hopeful.

Lemur and Jacob had an exchange back in the summer where Lemur mused about how to really save at least 75%. And jacob made the comment that it wasn't just that people had figured out how to lower their expenses, but to eliminate categories. I started to think about C40 and Giberto dP as two examples that might explain that. C40 seemed to be almost a machine at saving and GdP is struggling to get to 65%. I started a doc to compare their expenses but soon stopped. I should try again. I'm not sure if I have a real point here. But I keep thinking about it.

Money notes:
DH is on track to break $400 for groceries for the month, he's done all of the food shopping. I haven't had the energy to do much about it, he's home more than I am and it's convenient for him to go shopping while I'm at work. And I don't want to nag, that's annoying for both of us.
Our coffee business had a big purchase of green beans and it took me too long to pay the credit card off. I cancelled the card as I am not going to be the person who makes a rewards card work for me.....

Our renter is adding a nice influx of money early in the month. Now that that credit card is gone, the extra money will get funneled into either remodel supplies (insulation and sheet rock) or saved.

We looked at a local school bus today that we thought was for sale. One of my coworkers is part of a local church and told me they had two buses for sale. And so we biked over there to check it out. It was fun being inside it and day dreaming. It was good to realize that we want a taller bus. We're both smaller people but the ceiling was still too close to us. It was an older bus and had very little rust visible. The PNW hasn't used salt for the snow until this last year so rust is likely not to be a big issue, we hope. Turns out it wasn't for sale we learned. But, it was the second bus we have looked at and it is energizing to see a bus. Which is good! While having a renter has reduced our housing expenses, the school bus is still the real radical solution that will change the game for us.

Sent $500 to savings after paying the credit card off, just to make the point that we have the money to do that. It used to be that I would get nervous that we would dip too low in the checking account between paychecks. Now I worry less. It's still the reality that we work better with the money out of sight. Best to move it to the savings account and pretend it's not available.

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mooretrees wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:56 pm
What it made me think and reflect on, is that while people talk about ERE in the forum and are doing it, it doesn't seem like too many people have really reached the low spending and life satisfaction that Jacob has achieved.
I think spending and life satisfaction are two different things which are only partly connected. When I started ERE I started to use Maslow's pyramid of human needs. I stopped thinking that life satisfaction and satisfaction of needs must have to do with spending money. In the last few years (and also before that) I challenged every amount of money I spent. In addition to that I thought of more creative ways and solutions how I could satisfy my needs (and wants) with as little or almost no spending at all. If you think long enough, have great determination, be creative and willing to challenge your own boundaries, you will try out things you haven't done before. As jacob also did, I challenged all my personal boundaries, I tried to "move" my boundaries, going to extremes. For example trying to live without a fridge, without internet, without extra heating in winter, cutting my hair myself, walking 3 hours in winter to get somewhere as kind of transportation, going by bike in every weather condition during spring, summer and autumn, eating only twice a day, using only two electrical devices at the same time, etc. I wouldn't have tried all those things, if I had conformed to society's rules and norms. And when you try such "extreme" things (for me they are pretty normal now) you maybe note that you could satisfy your needs with less spending than before. For me it was all about satisfying my needs. On top of that I questioned my so called "wants". Do I really want to .... (travel, passive entertainment, wearing trendy clothes, latest gadgets, etc. ... ) No, I don't want anymore, or at least I could try to live without those things for a while (--> no buy year ;-) Nowadays, I don't differentiate between needs and wants anymore. I don't label things/experience with need or want anymore.
But I understand what you mean, from an empirical point of view on the whole (western) society, there are only a few people who have reached low spending and are (or would be) still satisfied with life.
mooretrees wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:56 pm
I also read about and am experiencing it bit myself, the disconnection that comes from pursuing ERE.
Yes, that's a thing. At least I experience it also by myself. As I was trying out more "extreme" ways of doing things and living life in the past view years, the disconnection grew. I can't really discuss any of my ERE pursuits with friends, collegues, neighbours, relatives. And I only discuss it partly with close familiy. To be honest the disconnection grew, but it didn't decrease my life satisfaction. But on the other hand, new connections grew, especially with you here in this forum. It's two-folded. And then there is the whole social aspect of ERE living. I call this my social and emotional module of my web-of-goals. It wouldn't be wise to think of ERE as a disconnected, lonely and isolated person. There is definately a danger to that, if you are already an extreme introvert. But I try to improve my social skills and increase my social capital. And with that I can (re)connect. My goal is to build a so called nonlinear social network. I think I can not find a whole group of likeminded people (besided this forum) which fits perfect to me. So I started to think of bidirectional relationships which each satisfies a special interest of mine. I call this nonlinear, because there will be idealy many of such bidirectional relationships. I hope to establish many connections. Each one would fulfill a special interests. That will be much easier, than to find the one group, which fit all of my expectations. So, yes, I experienced disconnection from pursuing ERE as well, especially in the beginnen. But for myself it transforms, it could be improved, you can change this as well as you like.

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mooretrees wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:56 pm
I finished Akratic's journal several days ago. What a fantastic guy he seemed to be. It was a really fun read, until the last post. And it would be nice to hear he was doing ok. What it made me think and reflect on, is that while people talk about ERE in the forum and are doing it, it doesn't seem like too many people have really reached the low spending and life satisfaction that Jacob has achieved. Maybe some of that is the basic human condition of taking our whole lives to learn how to deal with our emotions, history and learn from our mistakes?

Do people do the web of goals and not talk about it? I still don't have a solid idea of how to pursue this.
This is actually a point I have thought about as well, or rather were I feel a lot of disconnect to people on this forum. It feels like most people here are really high earners for whom it makes (of course) more sense to put their energies into earning more instead of spending less. Prioritizing both seems very difficult, and in case of a family comprised of different personality types, pretty much impossible to me.

I gave some consideration to your question about the web of goals, and the not talking about it. I think I have had a "natural web of goals" for a long time, meaning I did develop it not by consciously thinking about it but because it corresponds with my personality. I remember making a mind map about my goals many years ago (long before learning about ERE and the concept of web of goals). I was able to connect a lot of goals and I distinctly recall that I wrote in the middle "the Midas touch" - meaning that I had a feeling that I was able to make some money (--> gold) out of everything I did for a hobby, but in the end this making money inevitable soured the experience for me because I got greedy and after a while fed up by the moneymaking aspect of it.
Since I never really worked on developing this web of goals I believe that there is a kind of person - I call it a "system thinker" who is naturally building his life this way. And it is pretty difficult to recognize things that come easy to you as something special and thus feeling the need to talk about it. Like when I tried to teach my friend horse back riding, who started as an adult. She could not develop the absolutely necessary eye for her surroundings (--> anticipating all the 12547 things what will invariably spook your horse, and so being prepared for it) because she was so busy with staying on the horse and trying to persuade a 600 kg-animal to do what she wanted. Since I learned all this as a kid I'm subconsciously scanning the surroundings all the time, it feels completely effortless. My friend gave up riding because it was too stressful for her and I did not know how to teach her this.
This long story is supposed to explain why I think that people don't talk about web of goals much - there are not many actionable steps that translate easily into another persons life. While writing the horse story above my mind started to run on like - "Don't write so much about horses, it must be boring to other people... don't talk so much about yourself in someones else's journal... you are not qualified to wax poetically about web of goals, you're such an amateur... bla bla bla..."
This is what holds me back, it makes me feel vulnerable and I feel stupid. maybe it is like this for other people as well!
mooretrees wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:56 pm
And I am scared that I'll lose my connection with my two essential friends (sister and best friend) as I get deeper into ERE. But, those relationships have survived kids and a big move away being so close to them. I think I should be more hopeful.
I can relate to the disconnect since very few people can understand that DH and I both work part-time and thus abstain from making lots of money. I realized that I try to talk little about what is different and instead emphasize what connects me to this particular person. With my brother its music and our kids, with my friend it is horses and music, you get the picture. This keeps the disconnect at bay. Luckily there is this forum to geek about saving and investing :)

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Wanting to get out of debt and save a little is not a huge leap concept for any of the lower Wheaton levels. They may not think it's possible, but they'll likely admire you for trying. If you want to do a no spend year, frame it in a way people will understand.

I think the disconnect people feel is real, particularly when your thought processes are focused on FI. It's really our interests or our history that bind us to people. If our interests are very different than others around us, it causes that disconnect. Less time together causes a lack of creating a "history" or maybe better put "interactions" with others. If you need to, leave the FI talk for here, maybe meet up if there are other locals nearby. Find specific interests/activities you enjoy that may be part of your FI plan to do with others to keep those interactions going, at least on the level of that specific interest/activity.

I don't know if it'll help you, but I found The Fifth Discipline by Peter Senge an eye opener. If you are interested in organizational (ie business) dynamics it is a fascinating brief on systems thinking.

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@wolf Thanks for your comments. I think you are right about spending and life satisfaction only being slightly connected. Since I've started pursuing ERE (more just ER since I'm 43), I've sorta assumed that if you got control of your free time by having hobbies that were satisfying and cheap, and optimized most of your expenses so that you could live on very little, that those pursuits would naturally lead to a happier life. So, I've been shocked to see people who achieve the goal of a lot of money saved, very low expenses and then seem to flounder once they quit. I think that area of figuring out where to go with your time and energy once you have lots of it it a very interesting question. Jacob has not indicated that he ever struggled with direction once he retired.

@wolf, I also like your idea of the 'nonlinear' relationships. Of course I love having people that I have lots of connections too, but it is true that all friends can't be everything to me. So, I think sorta what you are saying is that dialing down the expectations from each person and focusing on what you do connect over is providing some good glue to relationships. I like that focus on what connects you rather than what is different. Since I became a parent I feel more connections/sympathy with many more people than I ever did before. While before I might not have had much in common with the religious fundamentalist that I work with, now we can 'bond' over our kids and their interesting growth.

@horsewoman I love hearing about your life! The horse story and ability to learn some new task was perfect! I think that I am not naturally a systems thinking and so I am having an especially hard time getting some inroads on implementing that way of thinking in my life. Also, I often don't comment on something or somebody's journal because I don't feel smart or 'ERE' enough to add anything. So, I'm with you there.

@c-L I'll check that book out. I'm digging your semi-retirement posts, pretty fun and providing a lot of day dreaming material for me, keep posting!

I had a conversation with a coworker over the weekend that is still bothering me. I am the lead in blood bank. It's basically a volunteer position where I write policies, maintain equipment and have general responsibilities for the area. She was criticizing me because I am not very responsive on my cell phone and I haven't called back after she called with questions. She kept saying how annoying that was. She didn't seem to think that it was acceptable that I wasn't available after work. I tried to explain that I wasn't paid to be available (we have a supervisor that is paid for that and is always on her phone), and that I wanted to live my life without being tethered to a phone. Most days I rarely check my phone. I think what I am encountering is the difference between our attitudes about cell phones. She lives with her phone within arms reach (at least what I see at work) and thinks that being easily reachable is most important. I disagree to my core. I believe that my cell phone is for my convenience not anyone else. I'll get over this conversation, but it was frustrating to hear criticism that I don't think is valid.

We started burning wood in the wood stove. This alone makes me love my home so much. I didn't grow up with wood heat so it is still a marvel. The very air is warm and only in certain areas. I don't need the kitchen or the second bedroom warm, so I love that just our living room is cozy. And it is satisfying that heat is coming from our work in the woods cutting trees. A strange side effect to that is that my son thinks going to woods is only about cutting wood. When we say we're going to the mountain, he says "cut trees?" Need to take him hiking more!

I've started reading the "Overworked American" by Juliet Schor. It was published in 1991, so I wonder at the stats as they relate to today. I am digging it though and trying to read it slowly. Nothing of note to share yet, but her last chapter is about escaping the work-spend and overcoming consumerism so I'm curious what she has to say.

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We went and checked out a skoolie yesterday evening. The guy has been living in his rig for eight years and slow traveling. The two reasons he went the skoolie route as opposed to an rv were his piano and the wood stove. He had a regular looking (to my uneducated eyes) piano with several straps keeping it in place in the front of the bus. His bus was bare bones, very very simple. It made me realize we've been watching conversion videos that are FANCY! He didn't put in any insulation and so would spend winters in California. It was sorta dirty and grungy, and he left all of the original metal walls and ceiling in place. I want ours to be a bit nicer, more wood on the floors, walls and ceiling. He made his composting toilet, that is the route that I want to go. Bucket + toilet seat + peat moss + a fan= simple and effective. Plus the commercial composting toilets are around $1,000. That's too much.

Anyway, it was really cool and made us realize that we could bare-bones our skoolie and get into it in one building season. I think we both want much more insulation that he had, floors and ceiling covered or else we'll freeze in our area. But it we don't get really fancy, we might have a shot of getting into the bus by fall of 2020. It is energizing!

I was thinking about a comment @gravytrain made about how crazy it is to imagine living in the bus one recent evening. We have a small living room and only have a loveseat and rocking chair in it. We rarely sit in the rocking chair and regularly have all three humans plus one or two animals on the loveseat at one time. So why do we have all this space if we're usually right on top of each other anyway? The bus might be more or a 'right-size' for the way we seem to be living.

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Ha ha, no worries @gravy Train, didn't feel negative at all. I know that the skoolie idea is outside the social norm for living with children these days. It seems like the normal way to raise kids these days is to get a bigger home to deal with all of the people. My sister and her family have a 5000 sqft home for their family of five. It is HUGE. And recently my BIL said he wouldn't have traded a square inch of it and that they needed all that room to handle their three active boys.

I've benefitted from my son being the youngest of 11 grandkids on my side, barely any toys are coming our way from my family. My DH's side isn't too active sending crap our way either, but when they do send stuff it is pure junk. I get rid of it pretty quickly and since they never visit I don't have to worry about offending them.

We visited another skookie yesterday. It was so pretty and bright! He had wood floors and walls but the original sea green metal ceiling. I loved the combo. He was very tidy too and parked it at the local ski area during the winter. He had a wood stove and a propane heater and seemed to do just fine with the weather. He had parked at a local RV park near to town and paid $250/month. I can save a ton of money if that is what our rent will be!

We left the skoolie really excited! Well, I did. But, we have a ways to go before we're ready to pull the trigger on the skoolie. Sorta in order of what needs to happen:
1. Save at least 10 k for purchase and some materials (spray foam insulation + wood for walls, floor and ceiling)
2. Organize workspace (right now DH's garage is a MESS and it would be a pain to start a project in it's current state)
3. Get rid of 85% of our stuff - literally can't wait for this one!
4. Figure out where to park the bus once we're ready to live in it
5. Figure out insurance for bus, will try USAA as they are our current provider
6. Figure out solar - this is my task.
7. De-nail maple flooring from elementary gym tear down (this should work as our flooring in the bus) - do we sand off the gym floor markings before or after it is installed? Or just leave them??

And many more tasks to come. One thing we've decided to do is to keep the initial build as SIMPLE as possible. It's overwhelming to think of it as a finished totally tricked out living space. Really we need to be able to: sleep, cook and poop in it. Everything else is gravy. I see a lot of people making a miniature home, rather than living in a different way. We'll see what we come up with.

As far as money stuff goes: the first paycheck of the month mostly went to mortgage and bills, only put $200 into savings. Might put another $200 in late this week once the bills clear. Next paycheck should mostly go to savings. It's always easier to save what is yet to come, but I think I can easily put $1500 of my paycheck into savings. This should be the first month we'll come close or surpass a 50% savings rate.

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Don't underestimate how much effort it is getting rid of stuff. Make sure you do that, and whatever else you can, before you start actually spending money on the skoolie. It will not be an easy nor quick transition.

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Hmmm, @bigato I was sorta planning on waiting but I see your point. Learning to live with much less before would make the transition easier. Is that what you meant? And yes, I've noticed that it is slow going to get rid of stuff responsibly. We've not had much luck selling things, but perhaps we weren't listing them at a 'selling' price.

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Exactly my point, you're sharp! The learning curve is steep and since you are not single person, there will be a lot of discussion and adaptation around it. The last thing you want is make it harder or generate more conflict. Because before you actually buy the bus, you can always step back and pivot in another direction if a better opportunity arises. The biggest changes have the most impact and are thus exciting, but should be approached with caution lest you end up spending more instead of less.

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I remember seeing a bed and breakfast Skoolie in a house magazine once. Of course it was super cute and tricked-out but I couldn’t see spending even a weekend there w kids. That’s just me and it might also have been a minibus, and I’m not someone who’s into RVs either. We live in a condo that is juust big enough but our kids are still very young. Anyway, would just suggest trying one out for a few days or a week if possible to really understand for each of you what it feels like living in one.

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There's no better part of life than getting excited about some type of big change. I know the schoolie has been on your mind for awhile, so taking these first steps must be REALLY exciting. Congrats!

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I have lightly looked for one to try out @peanut, it would be fun to have a full weekend, good beta as some say. I'm not worried though, we have a three bedroom, two bath house right now. But, we all sleep in one bed, and only occasionally go into the basement to do laundry. We mainly hang in our living room especially now that the wood stove is cranking. So, we're paying for more space than we need by a long shot.

Frankly, I'm sick of cleaning the three rooms we live in, sick of paying the mortgage, sick of living the middle class dream, sick of laundry and especially sick of being tired from early morning wake-ups and 10 hours of mostly being bored at work. I think the middle class 'dream' is bullshit, and having been raised that way, I'm doing all I can to raise a super weird nature loving kid who knows how to start a fire, build some stuff from scrap and is suspicious of the consumerist lifestyle. So, if that means home schooling in a skoolie, well, there we go!

I think perhaps I'm responding too strongly to peanut's comment, but in a way I'm also getting ready to deal with this concern over and over again as we go forward. If there is one think I've learned from the short years I've been a parent, is that I know my kid. He wants (at this point) to be around us, to run around and to feed the dogs cheese. I'm willing to make a mistake and move into the skoolie, but the last thing I'm worried about is being in a small space with a child.

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classical_Liberal wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:58 pm
There's no better part of life than getting excited about some type of big change. I know the schoolie has been on your mind for awhile, so taking these first steps must be REALLY exciting. Congrats!
Thanks! A lot of what you write about in your journal these days swims around my head a lot. I'm always running around scrambling to get stuff done on my days off, I don't have enough time! I love the flow of your days, it's seriously inspiring!

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Sorry, I really wasn't trying to crap on your dreams! I also think I misunderstood the purpose of the bus. I thought it was just to be a cheaper alternative to your current home, and not a reset to semi-fire, travel, and homeschool. I probably missed the obvious, which is spending more time with your son as well. My friends who work all say they don't want to be at home, so I kind of assume every working woman is like that. I remember now that you guys found out you weren't attached to your house at all when you were looking at downsizing and I had forgotten that too.

I do think a trial run will help clarify it as a must-do or something else, and I was actually thinking of your DH primarily, since I think you've said he's the one who has more attachment to stuff and if he's used to doing projects in his own garage he will have to absorb how different life will be. Really though, if it makes sense to you all, it will make sense to your friends and family too and I bet they will support it. Good luck.

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@peanut, thanks but I think I was overreacting! But, I am also preparing to deal with this sort of commentary. Just one of the problems when you tell folks what 'crazy' scheme you're up to that is different from the norm. Folks who know me aren't too surprised by this current dream. I do think DH will need some outlet for his tinkering ways. We've heard of a local space that houses some diy folks that work on cars and tool share. It sounds right up his alley. But, I'm not ready to start paying for another space for him yet.

I don't know how long bus life will suit us, I'm hoping to get three to five years in it. But, we'll first have to get in and go from there. Lots of unknowns, but it is exciting!

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Read (and starting to reread) a book about habits, Better Than Before. I like the author, she writes in a semi-autobiographical way where she, friends and family members try out habits and methods of sticking to habits that she researches. According to her terminology, I am an Obliger. Someone that "meets outer expectations, resists inner expectations." This is important as she suggests different methods to keep with habits that suit the 'tendency' someone displays. I do find it hard to meet amorphous deadlines, like editing a policy at work that no one is telling me needs to be done. I delay doing things until the procrastination wears me out, then I finally do whatever I am stressing about. It's annoying and definitely counter-productive. .

She has specific suggestions for each tendency, there are four. For my type, she suggests creating external accountability either through making plans with another person, or some other method that creates a somewhat artificial deadline. This is useful to understand about myself, especially with regards to my bumbling attempts to work on my 'web o' goals'.

Recently @wolf gave me more details about his process of writing and thinking about becoming a Renaissance man. It was really helpful. I won't do the amount of writing that he does, but I've been fleshing out my modules. One big realization I had that fits my obliger/extrovert nature is that I really like including a community/connection within each of my modules. So, for daily exercise I've been emailing two friends that are doing the same online workouts when I do my workout. It's a small connection with them, but it helps me be excited to exercise so I can get my gold star from my friends. For 'time in nature' I've been trying to get small hikes in with friends or my son.

A friend from work has come over twice with his stargazing gear. I've long wanted to know more constellations but haven't made any progress in years. He has multiple telescopes and binocular tripods and is more knowledgeable (and a natural teacher) about stars and planets. The first time he came over we were able to see the rings of Saturn! Holy cow, that was unexpected and really freaking cool. DH said that was something on his bucket list. Seeing his own sperm on a microscope was also on his bucket list just to give you more perspective on him. Good thing I have access to excellent microscopes at work. So, stargazing with my friend is also part of my 'time in nature' and learning module. I still feel such a novice at this web of goals that I'm nervous to say my modules. But, whatever, people here are so friendly and supportive I'll go ahead.

My modules are:
Health: exercise, time in nature (i had cooking low carb but I don't really know where to go with that)
Financial Independence: frugality (buy nothing year -more on that some other time), saving, financial education
Happy family: DH (sex, helping him realize life long goals), son (time with us, time in nature) Me: community, health, organization and decluttering
Learning: reading (star books, gardening, financial literacy, habits....also good sci-fi and fantasy)
Making things: working on the school bus will kick start this, it's not something I'm not really actively working on...

So, while I cribbed some of these modules from the ERE book, I am slowly crafting it to fit me. I've made the most progress with this when I've brainstormed ideas of what to read and who to do things in each module with. I can't find the Fifth Discipline at the library, so I'll perhaps be buying it? I realize my limitations because I really think about each of these modules in a sort of goal way, rather than a process way. But, I'm making some progress clarifying what my modules are. I'm also making some progress doing the activities in my modules on a somewhat daily basis. I have a lot to learn about systems theory and how to shift from being goal orientated to process orientated. At least, I assume I need to head that direction? I think about exercise now as something I do everyday (mostly) and I don't have an end goal in mind with it, ie lose 10 pounds or fit into that one pair of jeans. I think of it as something that helps me feel better and be happier with myself. Perhaps I have made more progress than I thought?

I am not a natural systems thinker like some seem to be (@horsewoman I'm looking at you), but I am trying. Part of this process is learning how I operate (rather than how I want/fool myself into thinking I operate) and what I want to make my life into.

tl:dr I am slowly crafting my web of goals and I saw the rings of Saturn.

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Re: mooretrees journal

Post by Cheepnis »

Seeing the rings of Saturn is pretty rad and I'm jealous! Amateur astronomy is something I've wanted to get into for years, but I've never pushed the button. I blame it partly on the obstacles of living in a place with the combination of terrible light pollution and seldomly clear skies* and the fact I'm soooo not a night person. I think if I do ever take the plunge I'll have to be an early morning stargazer. Getting up at 3 would be so much better than staying up till 12!

*compared to where I grew up where you can see the milky way from my parent's driveway on most any night

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Re: mooretrees journal

Post by mooretrees »

@cheepnis most mornings that are clear I have a much better view of Orion than my buddy who can actually stay up late. So, mornings are really good for night time viewing too. Orion is one of my favorite constellations. I don't know a ton, but I always feel like he's my buddy. Plus I loved Greek mythology growing up and his story is pretty crazy. But the light pollution is the real problem, thankfully my small town is fairly dark.

This month is a three paycheck month and I'm really happy with what I've saved to date:
401 k: $370
HSA: $370
Savings: $1800

One more paycheck to go and it won't be as much into saving as that's the mortgage paycheck. But, still I am freakin' pumped! This is the first month with significant actual savings. It feels fantastic!

We have an emergency fund again and I am starting to get a baseline idea of how much we can save on top of the HSA/401 k. Next year our premium is going to go down $157 a month. Yep, going DOWN. I've already got the paperwork together to just roll that money into the HSA so we don't touch it all.

I really appreciate this community and feel like I've made big strides because of the encouragement and examples of you folks! Thanks!

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