Why are so many ERErs academics?
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I've been wanting to post this for a while.
Jacob got out of the academia game. I was an academic. DutchGirl, EREinAcademe, and I think some others are in academia. A lot of others seem to be in academia or very close to it in terms of sensibility and world view.
Is this selection bias on my part or is there a common thread between the two?
Jacob got out of the academia game. I was an academic. DutchGirl, EREinAcademe, and I think some others are in academia. A lot of others seem to be in academia or very close to it in terms of sensibility and world view.
Is this selection bias on my part or is there a common thread between the two?
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I thought "everybody" was a $100k+ software-uh-something?
I think it's part selection (the way I write can be quite academeese) and part the field itself.
It would be interesting to do some surveys of ERE vs MMM since we have fairly different writing styles.
How should such a survey be structured? I can't make one with 1000+ vocations.
I think it's part selection (the way I write can be quite academeese) and part the field itself.
It would be interesting to do some surveys of ERE vs MMM since we have fairly different writing styles.
How should such a survey be structured? I can't make one with 1000+ vocations.
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Just a few groups:
Academia
Education
Engineering/IT (I can hear howls of complaints already--to me they're close enough)
Services/Retail
Arts/Entertainment/Media
I know you could parse groups in a lot of ways, but I really think research of all types (physics, medicine, literature, pottery) attracts a very specific, detail-oriented, curious, non-practical, idealistic personality. Just the sort of personality who quickly gets turned off by the nastiness of academia and looks for an escape.
Academia
Education
Engineering/IT (I can hear howls of complaints already--to me they're close enough)
Services/Retail
Arts/Entertainment/Media
I know you could parse groups in a lot of ways, but I really think research of all types (physics, medicine, literature, pottery) attracts a very specific, detail-oriented, curious, non-practical, idealistic personality. Just the sort of personality who quickly gets turned off by the nastiness of academia and looks for an escape.
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Academics like theories and ERE is written more to explain in terms of theory than to provide a step-by-step program. See YMOYL for that sort of thing.
And frankly, ERE is written at a college level in terms of vocabulary and grammar, which is not easy to digest for the average person, who probably does not want to read a book at all.
And frankly, ERE is written at a college level in terms of vocabulary and grammar, which is not easy to digest for the average person, who probably does not want to read a book at all.
I don't know how I missed the entire sex worker part of that thread.
Here is the list of careers for INTJs (http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ_car.html):
Scientists
Engineers
Professors and Teachers
Medical Doctors / Dentists
Corporate Strategists and Organization Builders
Business Administrators / Managers
Military Leaders
Lawyers / Attorneys
Judges
Computer Programmers or Systems Analysts
Here is the list of careers for INTJs (http://www.personalitypage.com/INTJ_car.html):
Scientists
Engineers
Professors and Teachers
Medical Doctors / Dentists
Corporate Strategists and Organization Builders
Business Administrators / Managers
Military Leaders
Lawyers / Attorneys
Judges
Computer Programmers or Systems Analysts
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Don't forget us lowly government drones. I know there are a couple other public servants around here. Although my job would fit in the writing/editing/PR category too. Formerly it was IT.
Also, I agree that Jacob's writing appeals to a more academic mindset. It's written more or less like a philosophy text--which it is, especially compared to the self-help style of most personal finance material.
Also, I agree that Jacob's writing appeals to a more academic mindset. It's written more or less like a philosophy text--which it is, especially compared to the self-help style of most personal finance material.
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The more interesting question is; are there any non-college educated or non-white collar on here? I don't think there is a huge difference between a lawyer, engineer, scientist, teacher, IT, management, etc. All are used to finding solutions to problems through research to a greater or lessor degree, and research is needed to find ERE.
Thinking a little outside of the norm and understanding there could be other options, even if you don't know what they are yet, is probably the biggest requirement for being here.
This is not a trait I find in my relatives and friends who go with more physical professions. They tend to be able to problem solve in physical space, but are not very good at problem solving a philisophical/thought problem, such as money.
Thinking a little outside of the norm and understanding there could be other options, even if you don't know what they are yet, is probably the biggest requirement for being here.
This is not a trait I find in my relatives and friends who go with more physical professions. They tend to be able to problem solve in physical space, but are not very good at problem solving a philisophical/thought problem, such as money.
I think 'left-brain' people are attracted to ERE. It seems people who take things more literally and less emotionally are better equipped to make the so-called sacrifices needed to save a larger portion of their income. People who are more 'emotional', for a lack of a better term, are more likely to see the sacrifices as torturous.
Also, I suspect the academic bent stems from people who are able to project themselves well into the future and prepare for a better future by doing certain things now to secure it. Success in academia requires perseverance in the face of great stress.
Furthermore, XXTJ's (of whom are the majority here) tend to enjoy setting specific goals and keeping track of progress in an almost OCD fashion. Once a goal is set, XXTJ's tend to stick with it really well to the point that the process of achieving the goal in itself is enjoyable no matter how difficult or painful it is to work towards it.
Also, I suspect the academic bent stems from people who are able to project themselves well into the future and prepare for a better future by doing certain things now to secure it. Success in academia requires perseverance in the face of great stress.
Furthermore, XXTJ's (of whom are the majority here) tend to enjoy setting specific goals and keeping track of progress in an almost OCD fashion. Once a goal is set, XXTJ's tend to stick with it really well to the point that the process of achieving the goal in itself is enjoyable no matter how difficult or painful it is to work towards it.
"Once a goal is set, XXTJ's tend to stick with it really well to the point that the process of achieving the goal in itself is enjoyable no matter how difficult or painful it is to work towards it." (jzt83)
I'd even go as far as to say: achieving the goal is especially enjoyable when it is difficult and/ or painful. More rewarding in a way. But perhaps I'm too much of a masochist anyway
I'd even go as far as to say: achieving the goal is especially enjoyable when it is difficult and/ or painful. More rewarding in a way. But perhaps I'm too much of a masochist anyway
I did 1.5 years in one university, before dropping out.
Then worked one year before I started a four year stint at antother one, before dropping out. Social Economis
Now I have started at another school..this time Business.
First one was a drag.. the second one, I got burned out working a full time job offshore at the same time. Never got time to releax and consentrate on the matter. Atleast I hope that was the reason, because the grades where really poor, compared to what I felt I knew.
This time, Im working 50%, and studying 100%, just so I can get that degree, finding a stimulating job in the future. In the past year my job has be so soul draning I figured its better to find something else that will atleast challange me mentally while building up my savings. ( Though the opportunity cost of gooing to school now is very high.. and realisticly only recoverable if I get a High-mid level posistion, everything else would be a step down!)
I`m somewhat frightend since both my former "tries", have ended in poorer grades than I felt I should have recived, and kind of dented my mental confidence.. The thought is, "maybe its just me who really is stupid.. or maybe just really terrible at exams."
But clearly.. I must be in the 99.9 percentile.. after all, Im reading ERE
So, not all here have academic careers... I`m just a lowly menial worker.. feeling trapped in stupidity.
Then worked one year before I started a four year stint at antother one, before dropping out. Social Economis
Now I have started at another school..this time Business.
First one was a drag.. the second one, I got burned out working a full time job offshore at the same time. Never got time to releax and consentrate on the matter. Atleast I hope that was the reason, because the grades where really poor, compared to what I felt I knew.
This time, Im working 50%, and studying 100%, just so I can get that degree, finding a stimulating job in the future. In the past year my job has be so soul draning I figured its better to find something else that will atleast challange me mentally while building up my savings. ( Though the opportunity cost of gooing to school now is very high.. and realisticly only recoverable if I get a High-mid level posistion, everything else would be a step down!)
I`m somewhat frightend since both my former "tries", have ended in poorer grades than I felt I should have recived, and kind of dented my mental confidence.. The thought is, "maybe its just me who really is stupid.. or maybe just really terrible at exams."
But clearly.. I must be in the 99.9 percentile.. after all, Im reading ERE
So, not all here have academic careers... I`m just a lowly menial worker.. feeling trapped in stupidity.