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Re: Obtaining a Second Passport

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:16 am
by Jean
For non aggression to prevail, it requires a bunch of people agreeing to don't agress each other, and some form of collaboration do dether anyone outside the agreement to agress. That's exactly what the federal oat was. If you refuse it, you're not a confederate anymore. Cheating this should command shame.

Re: Obtaining a Second Passport

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:45 pm
by zocab
henrik wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:37 pm
@zocab - Do you know if these treaties cover actual mobilisation? For example, will the Swiss+French citizen who escaped military service in CH by having pretended to have done it in FR be exempt from mobilisation in CH?
This is explicitly covered in the treaty, only the country where you opted to serve can call you up.
Viktor K wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:52 pm
What's the best/easiest/fastest country for an American to get (preferably) dual citizenship with an emphasis on healthcare and safety? Canada is all I have considered so far. European countries are appealing as well, but the ones I've looked at require forfeiting previous citizenship.
Which ones have you looked at? UK, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway*, Sweden, Iceland, Finland, Italy, France do seem to be OK with it. Germany doesn't as you say (except in combination with other EU or CH citizenship). I haven't looked in huge detail to be fair, but that looks like majority that doesn't care.

* Only since this year.

That said, healthcare really varies. I wouldn't recommend the UK. Switzerland is solid but unique (ACA in the US was seemingly trying to copy the Swiss insurance system). I don't know about the others.

Re: Obtaining a Second Passport

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:55 pm
by Viktor K
zocab wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:45 pm
Which ones have you looked at? UK, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway*, Sweden, Iceland, Finland, Italy, France do seem to be OK with it.
Oh, wow, that's good news. I had only looked at Spain once before, since we were interested in traveling and living there as expats. Then I only recently checked out Estonia because a coworker is from there. When I saw that it too required forfeiting your other citizenship, I just assumed it was a general E.U. thing.

So, now, I guess which is easiest/best. Canada checks a lot of boxes with English-speaking, healthcare, and close to the US in terms of distance and culture. But it is a minimum 3 year permanent residency from what I can tell. And there are a lot of steps to take.

Re: Obtaining a Second Passport

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:04 am
by henrik
Viktor, if your motivation is healthcare, you also need to look at the requirements for getting it in each country. For example, in Estonia tax-payer funded healthcare is fairly universal, but you still need to fit some boxes, eg being employed and paying taxes, being underaged, retired above the official age, studying, pregnant, in the defence forces, registered as unemployed and actively looking, having served cleaning up in Chernobyl, etc. Nowadays even being a monk or a nun should do. But you also need to be a resident to qualify. Being a citizen is neither sufficient nor required.

The rules will probably vary from country to country. AFAIK the EU doesn't regulate it too much, except that if you have health insurance in one country, it needs to cover emergency care in all the others.

Re: Obtaining a Second Passport

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:19 am
by anesde
Viktor K wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:55 pm
Oh, wow, that's good news. I had only looked at Spain once before, since we were interested in traveling and living there as expats. Then I only recently checked out Estonia because a coworker is from there. When I saw that it too required forfeiting your other citizenship, I just assumed it was a general E.U. thing.

So, now, I guess which is easiest/best. Canada checks a lot of boxes with English-speaking, healthcare, and close to the US in terms of distance and culture. But it is a minimum 3 year permanent residency from what I can tell. And there are a lot of steps to take.

Portugal may be a good option for you. From your journal I see you’re a programmer, and those are pretty hot jobs in Lisbon at the moment. A few different ways:

1) Job offer
2) “Golden visa” - requires property investment of c.€500k
3) Marriage (prob not applicable to you through)

I have dual US/PT (parents are immigrants) and having a EU passport had been great for me - living/working in UK for 3+ years now.

Medical in PT is quite good, weather is fantastic, and COL is low, assuming you have sufficient income. My ERE plans have me ending up there in a few years. Most people (esp in Lisbon) speak English so I don’t think it’s too tough for a foreigner to live there.

Re: Obtaining a Second Passport

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:22 pm
by zocab
Viktor K wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:55 pm
So, now, I guess which is easiest/best. Canada checks a lot of boxes with English-speaking, healthcare, and close to the US in terms of distance and culture. But it is a minimum 3 year permanent residency from what I can tell. And there are a lot of steps to take.
Culture and language really are big things, and I think it's hard to figure out if a country is really livable without spending a good amount of time there first. I'd recommend thinking carefully about this :)

To be fair, if you're retired then you have time to learn the language, and you've got easier opportunities to get to know the local culture too - whereas many people I work with are too busy working to have time to learn the language on top of it. But if you're ERE'd you're also unlikely to be able to get a Visa, so inevitably you're going to have to work for a bit.

There are of course many English-only expat communities all over the place, but to me it seems a bit odd to not want to integrate, and a lot of the expat communities tend to have values diametrically opposed to ERE. But I'm as biased as anyone else when it comes to this topic.