Anyone prepping for corona?

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@jennypenny

yah, true emergency supplies can’t be frozen/refrigerated. :(

i only have fruits and veggies in the freezer, and while important, they’re not essentials (i have other sources of fiber + vitamins).

my fridge these days is mostly filled with nuts and oats to help them last longer and to make room in the pantry for cans and powders etc. as for things requiring refrigeration, i scored a bit of fresh eggs and milk the other day but just a couple of weeks’ worth... but that’s it.

sorry about your troubles, and best wishes.



eta: any chance to make jerky?

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Augustus wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:52 am
I've been toying with the idea of expanding my dry food
I am also purchasing EU citizenship, thank you great great grandpa for being a resident alien and never naturalizing.
Welcome :), good to have options. I'm curious which country gives you citizenship after so many generations.

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Augustus wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:52 am
I've been toying with the idea of expanding my dry food supply to 3 years lately. I'd do it in the cheapest way possible, which means a few hundred pounds of rice and beans. Water is a more critical issue than food, I've been working on that as well.
Not too sure about how long rice lasts. My folks used to store whole wheat. They said it lasted longer than polished rice because it had the whole seed. Maybe people here know more about this stuff?

Water is a trick out here in SoCal. I live near some creeks. In an emergency situation it may not be safe wandering down there to fill a bucket. Like a gazelle trying to get a drink at the muddy watering hole...,

Back in college I had a classmate who showed us how to drill a well. She was a hydrogeology Major. The tool was really simple. It looked like an auger with a T shaped bar that two people pushed around like the wheel of pain and it drilled down. In the home she stayed at the table was close to the surface. I think she only went down thirty feet. The landlord was tickled pink that he got free water for the garden.

I later found out this was illegal after Larry Ellison did it in Woodside to save on his water bill. But, it would be neat to have a well just for emergencies.

I also worked with a guy who didn’t have water rights to a patch of land he bought in the Santa Cruz mountains. He had this setup where he buried plastic tarp in a low spot on his land that turned into a little stream during the rain. There was an existing gully but it was dry most of the year. He built a little dam on one side and put in an automated valving system that would fill a bunch of those 275 gallon caged tote boxes down the hill via a hose manifold he made. He’d get enough water to carry him through the summer. Basic washing, gardening and drinking for weekend visits to the property. Also illegal btw.

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Brown rice will last longer than polished rice. Store it in PET bottles or vacuumed and it easily reaches 3 years. Plus, it's much more nutritious than polished rice, and keeping your health is very important in an emergency. If you are serious about SHTF planning, store it with the husk instead, then you don't even need the PET bottles. You can remove the husk using ancient traditional methods that won't rely on any tech working, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Djc5ZVUyUw
I did this in my youth, learned from my grandma, born in 1926. That how everybody did it when she was young. I was told by a friend whose father cultivated short-grain rice, that she was still eating rice her father had grown 10 years after he died. It was stored with the husk.

Since you never know when S will HTF, you'd better set up some logistics where you do this for all the rice you consume usually, and for that you probably would want to acquire some small scale machine for daily de-husking, or even build one yoursel, and integrate that to your routine, such that when the end of civilization event happens, at any time you'd have a three years stock ready to go. You'd need to get a reliable source for rice with husk, or cultivate it yourself. Also look into learning how to cultivate other easy sources of starch like potatoes and cassava. I heard that there is a place in Japan where people survived for three years eating mostly potato, not sure if it is true. My grandma told me that her mother once got isolated by floods for a few months in a place and they had no supplies and ate mostly yams. It's wild and doesn't need much care, but it likes to grow near the water. Knowledge like that may be useful, and also a plan on what to do some time *after* SHTF and things calm down.

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Now here's a very simple diy rice de-husker. The basic principle is rubbing the rice with the husk between two pieces of rubber. This guy just adapted a hand mill for that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdoMJ9Hhaiw

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Any seed or nut is going to last longer in dry storage intact. However, once simply ground, or otherwise semi-processed, the germ fat is more likely to go rancid or attract varmints than thoroughly processed-until-white mostly just starch product. This rule of thumb even applies to egg whites vs. egg yolks.

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Whoa. That sounds like too much work. Kind of wasteful if SHTF doesn’t happen.

It’s so hard to anticipate what we will actually need. Too bad there isn’t this happy medium prep. Or a list of things to go and get before the rush.

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After speaking with people I know in Florida and North Carolina, I've decided to increase my stockpiles. I let them dwindle a little, thinking I would top them off towards the end of the summer so I was ready for a bad winter flu/covid season. Florida and NC sound like they are getting bad fast though and I don't want to be caught unprepared.

I'm also doing things I'd put off like getting the cars inspected and fixing a bathroom issue (needed supplies). I figure I have a couple of weeks to run around and get things done before it gets too sketchy to go out again. I get the feeling this is going to be like one of those wave motion machines with the virus moving back and forth through different parts of the country before we get a handle on it for good.

I don't want to have to rely so much on refrigeration. I'm trying to decide whether I want to learn to can and buy enough canning supplies, or buy a dehydrator. Neither sounds that appealing tbh.

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Or a backup freezer?

(Correction: I don't know if that's actually a good idea; if the compressor can sit unused for years and be expected to start when needed. Probably better to have two small freezers than one large for some diversification. This also gives the flexibility to create alternative systems like making ice for coolers to serve as backup fridges.)

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I love canning! I really prefer to can with someone else and sometimes when I'm finished I think, 'that's all I did?' It feels great to have a bunch of cans stored though. I think for volume, canning is better than dehydrating. We have two types of canners, the water bath and pressure cooker. I've come to prefer the water bath as the pressure canner takes so long to get to pressure and release pressure. But some things need to be pressure canned, I can't remember which veggies, acidic ones? And meat needs pressure canning. The most expensive part of canning is buying the produce in the large enough volume to be worth it. Simple water bath canners are usually in the second hand stores, though maybe everyone is buying them up this year. Do you have someone who could teach you and you could borrow their supplies and see if you like it enough to buy? I don't think you need someone to teach you, it's just nice to be around someone who is comfortable with the flow.

I'm a little surprised that a serious prepper like you hasn't gotten into canning yet! ;)

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@mooretrees -- I've learned a couple of times, but I've never gotten into it. I guess I'm fussy about food too and like how food tastes when it comes from the freezer compared to canning/dehydrating.


@jacob--I'm still looking for another freezer (I have two). I'm thinking about buying one to keep at my sister's house since her power goes out much less often than mine ... so not just more freezers but scattering them around. I'm also filling the freezers with bags of ice to help keep them colder during an outage.


For some reason, I'm more concerned now than I was in March. :?

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Fermentation and root-cellaring would be other options. Also the simple solar drying screen I set up at my project site worked much better than I expected. Might be my imagination, but I think sun-dried tastes better, especially when stewed back to plump.

The problem with canning is having to do it in the heat. I read about method of freezing temporarily until good day to can and I thought that was a great idea if limited on freezer space.

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jennypenny wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:08 am

For some reason, I'm more concerned now than I was in March. :?
i’m still stocking up on shelf-stable goods, because a failing freezer or a power outage can ruin the best plans.

@george the og reported one such failure in one of the threads.

jerky will store better than frozen meat. granted, it’s not the tastiest way to eat meat, but it will reconstitute well in a stew, it’s easy to transport, and it lasts a long time.

a dehydrator might be a better hedge against dire scenarios.

ps- i wish i knew how to make pemmican. actual pemmican, not the brand of jerky.

eta: https://www.skilledsurvival.com/how-to-make-pemmican/

(still looks a mess but i might experiment in small batches)

meanwhile, i’ve got canned goods, vitamin pills, white rice (lasts forever), powdered whey, etc.

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