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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by Salathor » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:11 pm

The photo is weird, but I couldn't find one of him standing normal. He's an actor who plays "weird" roles a lot so most of his photos aren't really appropriate for the topic.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by 2Birds1Stone » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:02 pm

Jason wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:40 pm
That is either the most bow legged person I have ever seen or someone photoshopped out his stool and cello.
I couldn't have worded it that well myself, but these were my exact thoughts.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by Augustus » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:12 pm

What's wrong with blue Levi's and white t-shirts? I used to think the price on Levi's was outrageous ($50?!), but wife got me some and I've been wearing them for the last 8 years and they're still going strong, I'm having to stow them because I lost 55 lbs and they look too big now. It may be because I like relaxed fit, they allow much better range of movement. Wife convinced me to try straight fit or whatever they call it and I think they will last a lot less long. Costco bulk white t-shirts are a good deal and good quality. That's about 90% of my wardrobe.

For summer I found some $16 shorts at Costco that look pretty durable, we'll see. I can usually get 3-4 years out of the cheap ones at Ross. All go well with white t-shirts.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by vexed87 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:35 am

Get that man some vitamin D.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by Jason » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:00 am

I like what he's wearing. It's very spiffy. It's just that he stands like he got rear ended while riding a carousel.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by Fish » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:19 am

vexed87 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:48 am
Don’t encourage him ;)

The Swedish frugality blogger FruEfficientBadass wrote a post criticizing Jacob’s choice of attire for the hamsterhjulet documentary. She eventually reasoned that it must have been very hot when they filmed. Trying to imagine a TV camera following me around for 2 full days during a summer heatwave without A/C. Yeah I would abandon aesthetics too.

I also related to this blog comment: “I believe that all these 19 t-shirts I have in my discard pile after a minimalism-challenge are fresher than Jacob’s, but who is the one at work and who is the one who has more money than he can do with?”

I’ll wait until I have 100+ years of expenses saved up to give DLj unsolicited advice on fashion and aesthetics.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by Jin+Guice » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:40 pm

I know there is a societal imperative that men, especially nerdy men, shouldn't care about looks (their own), particularly clothes. I realize that the fashion industry as its generally thought of is inherently shitty and kind of the opposite of ERE. I still feel like a douche when I'm shopping for clothes with any interest.

But unless you're 1) so extreme that you don't wear clothes (a nudist) or 2) are so massively introverted that you basically never go outside, I highly recommend that you reexamine your stance on this. You've got to wear clothes everyday, so why are we supposed to optimizing this fairly essential part of our lives? There's nothing wrong with jeans and a white t-shirt, provided the fit is good (I still feel like an asshole saying this too). This is sort of the beans and rice solution. I'm forced nature (society) to eat (wear clothes) so I will chose something that is simple, cheap, pragmatic and effective. This will be fine for some people, but I think we can all agree that most people who'd enjoy their life more by spicing it up.

Obviously fitness is more important than fashion. If it were a choice between being physically fit and having good clothes, I'd chose fitness every time. But thankfully it's not a choice. No one will know if you have to body of a Greek god if you're wearing a t-shirt that's 8 times too big for you, unless of course the holes are big enough to show off your rippling abs.

I have very rarely done something so easy that has had such a great impact on my life. In addition to giving the slightest shit about what I was wearing I did also lose weight (this was not easy) and get a fancy ($30) haircut. The benefits are, getting hit on by women, getting hit on by my own girlfriend again, learning about a new subject (one that women really like to talk about), obviously garnering more respect and attention from everyone I interact with, a greater ability to ask for things and receive them and greater self confidence. To do this I researched what makes a good garment (not actually necessary for looks, but I wanted to know for ERE reasons), read one article per type of garment (i.e. jeans, dress shirt, etc..) to learn how to tell if something fits right, and tried on clothes before I bought them, incorporating what I'd learned from about 30 minutes of internet research with my own instincts about what I thought looked good in the mirror.

I know all male forum members have such monstrous intellects coupled with such bold personalities that no one could possibly care or even notice what they're wearing, but, in the interest of science, just try trying once.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by C40 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:35 pm

Augustus wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:12 pm
What's wrong with blue Levi's and white t-shirts?
Nothing, if they fit you well. That's mostly what I wear. I wear Hanes shirts as they fit me well. It can take a lot of testing to get a T-shirt that really fits right. And within brands there are variations of fit styles, materials, etc.

I watch Levi's online, and sometimes when I pass a Levi's factory outlet store, I go in to check if they have my fit/size/color on sale (it's not very often, so now I buy them when I see them, even if I don't need another pair at the moment. They are $70 retail and get down as low as $20 or maybe even $15). A word of caution to those who have found the fit# and size for them, actual sizes are different for different washes. I've bought three washes of the same fit #, and they all fit slightly different.

Note that if you wear ugly shoes it ruins whatever good look you have going on. Especially when you're wearing only three visible articles of clothing. Personally, I like boots, like these and these (which I prefer in black) (Redwings)
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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by C40 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:41 pm

Fish wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:19 am
Don’t encourage him ;)
I also related to this blog comment: “I believe that all these 19 t-shirts I have in my discard pile after a minimalism-challenge are fresher than Jacob’s, but who is the one at work and who is the one who has more money than he can do with?”

I’ll wait until I have 100+ years of expenses saved up to give DLj unsolicited advice on fashion and aesthetics.
That is totally unreasonable (the quote).

While I don't think we should give Jacob unsolicited fashion advice, I think it seems clear from reading what he was written, and from seeing pictures of him (and meeting in person once) that fashion is not something he cares about. So obviously people should not be aspiring to his example. When he writes about clothes it is mostly just about what clothing types keep him warm enough. I feel sure, given how good he has been at the things I know he cared about, that if he cared about fashion and tried, he'd dress well. You wouldn't model your fashion after Bill Gates or Warren Buffet - or Donald Trump! just because they have money.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by 7Wannabe5 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:12 pm

Sometimes, even if you are not fit and dressed in whatever random clothing you bought at the $1 Salvation Army Store and slept in the night before, and you are hoping to be invisible while jamming returnable cans into the stinky machine, somebody will behave as though you are not invisible. So, then you will look down and see that a critical button has popped off your shirt. And, that's when you realize that you have once again crossed over the fuzzy graph lines between frugal and cheap-azz and semi-retired and slacker.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by Bankai » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:57 am

Jin+Guice wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:40 pm
I have very rarely done something so easy that has had such a great impact on my life. In addition to giving the slightest shit about what I was wearing I did also lose weight (this was not easy) and get a fancy ($30) haircut. The benefits are, getting hit on by women, getting hit on by my own girlfriend again, learning about a new subject (one that women really like to talk about), obviously garnering more respect and attention from everyone I interact with, a greater ability to ask for things and receive them and greater self confidence. To do this I researched what makes a good garment (not actually necessary for looks, but I wanted to know for ERE reasons), read one article per type of garment (i.e. jeans, dress shirt, etc..) to learn how to tell if something fits right, and tried on clothes before I bought them, incorporating what I'd learned from about 30 minutes of internet research with my own instincts about what I thought looked good in the mirror.

I know all male forum members have such monstrous intellects coupled with such bold personalities that no one could possibly care or even notice what they're wearing, but, in the interest of science, just try trying once.
This!

ROI on paying attention to one's looks is ridiculously high (for men, women have it much harder since they almost all compete). In the land baggy t-shirts hiding overweight bodies, the fitting shirt on a lean body is king.

Just by being normal weight, one jumps into the top 30% looks wise. With some muscles, that's probably 20%. Add fitting, matching clothes and you're in the top 10% easily. If the clothes are actually nice (compared to your peers), you're in the top 5%. Now add a haircut, grooming & nice smell and you're pushing into the top 2%. This is looks/fashion equivalent to mensa, however, unlike IQ, which is inborn, you can sort your weight within a few months, and clothes/grooming within a single day.

In my experience, in a typical office, you have few gay men who dress best and occupy the top 1%, then some metrosexual guys being close 2nd (98th percentile) and then... everyone else in baggy t-shirts and jeans. You really don't need a lot to beat that 98%.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by Crazylemon » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:27 am

Jin+Guice wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:47 pm
I don't know what this means. Explain yourself!
I felt this could do with potentially more of an explanation. Now this is looking at it form a British point of view terminology/expression might differ slightly.

A Dress shirt will normally mean a shirt that was primarily intended to be worn with a suit. That doesn't mean they can't be worn on their own but if done so will generally be at the much smarter end. They don't have to require cufflinks but almost any shirt (bar intentional rule breaking) that does need cufflinks will be a dress shirt. They will also tend to have fairly conservative colours/patterns because of the need to match to a suit +/- Tie. They will also normal be a fine weave of cotton +\- some synthetic to ease ironing.

For example if we look here. This is probably what as I would describe as a mid tier UK. It has 3 main types of shirt: formal, business casual and casual. For the purpose of the delineations of casual button up/dress the first 2 are the same but if you browse the formal section you will see even fewer choices compared to business casual in terms of pattern and palate.

Then look at casual. Many more pattern options and colours. Some slightly coarser materials used in some and most of them are oxfords. These can be more interesting patterns because they don't need to match a suit and are more able to be the more signature item of an outfit. If they are being paired with chinos/smart jeans those are going to be relatively understated items, the shirt can thus be louder. Whereas with a suit you do not want the shirt to be fighting for all the attention. This can then be relatively dressed up/down further by shoe choice.



In terms for ROI I would agree it is pretty good but the sort of ratios @bankai mentions are not indicative for a capital/high end metro area. The competition is more fierce.

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by jacob » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:46 am

Fish wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:19 am
The Swedish frugality blogger FruEfficientBadass wrote a post criticizing Jacob’s choice of attire for the hamsterhjulet documentary. She eventually reasoned that it must have been very hot when they filmed. Trying to imagine a TV camera following me around for 2 full days during a summer heatwave without A/C. Yeah I would abandon aesthetics too.
Bingo! I did ask the camera what would be appropriate for TV and the answer was "whatever you like". Normally, in the [unbearable hot and humid Chicago] summer season, I just wear shorts (5.11 tactical) and no shirt, but I figured TV/civility required putting on some kind of top item. To those who care, both shirts are relatively unused hockey jerseys. They are more comfortable at high temperatures than t-shirts because of the material/looseness.

During the filming the outside temperature was 85F and the inside was not much lower. That's also why Frank (the dog) struggles during the walk at the end. Normally, we'd take him much later in the evening when it's cooler. That way he's also not dragging behind. Inside I dialed it down a bit, but the A/C had to be off when the camera was on due to the sound(*). I actually do own a fancy (high triple digit) suit, but had I worn that my head would have been beet red.

(*) Frank snoring was also a problem during some scenes.

You can see my standard business casual in other youtube vids. It's typically a dark grey sweater and khakis. I hope that is acceptable :-P

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by Fish » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:10 am

C40 wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:41 pm
That is totally unreasonable (the quote).
I thought it was reasonable coming from a person who is ostensibly unfamiliar with Jacob’s views on fashion. To generalize it: “In my estimation, you are very bad at this one thing, but I also acknowledge you are much better at this other thing that I very much care about, so I will stop criticizing now.” Saying that he considers the person as a whole instead of assuming that one weakness defines the person. I don’t think that it is an entirely kind thing to say either, but considering context (talking about a 3rd party that one does not know about, and not expected to be present) it seems somewhat fair. Though from the emotional aspect of criticizing other people, saying 1 positive thing is usually not enough to fully cancel out 1 negative comment, especially when the speaker may have had more interest in making the negative comment.

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I had a similar reaction as Fru when I first watched the documentary. [Fish note: I could not resist the urge to write a few lines of unsolicited advice, which I dutifully deleted before submitting. I don’t need to speak my piece since Jacob has indicated his awareness of all relevant aspects of the situation, so it all boils down to “Fish cares more about aesthetics” which is my problem and not his.] Eventually I also reached a similar conclusion. Anyone who would ignore the messenger based on appearances would not be receptive to ERE and probably FIRE as well, so nothing lost in terms of outreach. These people would have found something else to criticize anyway.

@jacob - I didn’t realize that shirtless was an option. You really do consider everything :)

The attire for the youtube interview with Mike Rosehart was acceptable. The framing and angle used for the interview was also aesthetically pleasing (referring to your house here).

This is the nicest pic I’ve seen of you on the internet and you should consider using it for promotional purposes if the owner would allow it:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/40000228@ ... /lightbox/
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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by C40 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:31 am

@Fish - it makes a lot more sense the way you interpreted it.
jacob wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:46 am
[just quoting so you get a notification]
@Jacob - if we happen to be in the same city some time, let me shoot portraits of you for you to use on the internet, when articles are written about you so you can supply them for the pictures, etc. (unless you already have a bunch? That one fish linked is decent)

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Re: Mens Fashion

Post by 7Wannabe5 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:43 am

I, for one, am completely in favor of public display of shirtless pictures of the Top 10 Contestants in the forum's burpee contest.

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