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Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:43 am
by Riggerjack
My wife was raised LDS, and had a tip. Just stock shelves from the back.

Her uncle had the pantry sharing a wall with the garage, so he opened it up, allowing food to go from car to the back of the pantry shelves directly.

Doing this to meet modern code means that should be a firewall. My plan is to include fire rated doors, (only slightly more than non fire rated) between the garage and the back of pantry shelves, in our retirement home.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:24 pm
by George the original one
Gilberto de Piento wrote:I didn't see a bug out mentioned. You may need to leave quickly from the area.
Bug out options need to consider how many people are also trying to simultaneously leave the area. For instance: you don't want to be evacuating for a hurricane in your vehicle at the time when the roads are congested. Save your skin first, possessions second. To escape rioting, you probably don't have to travel far, but you do need to be ahead of the curve and inconspicuous and not look like a victim. Expect communications networks to be unuseable during mass evacuations.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:28 pm
by George the original one
Are you prepared at your place of work? Flashlight, couple granola bars & candy, water bottle, know where the first aid kit & fire extinguisher are? Can you find the fire exit with your eyes closed?

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:38 pm
by jennypenny
^This. I'm totally prepped to bug out, but I think bugging home is a much more likely scenario. I'm prepared to get home from any of my my regular haunts. Even all of my kids have maps and gear to get home from their schools and activities with or without a vehicle if necessary.

Another thing I forgot to mention is to add laxatives to your stockpile. If you suddenly had to lower water intake, limit bathroom trips, and eat crappy canned food, constipation would probably become a problem. I've read recommendations to add something like Miralax or Metamucil to meals in that kind of situation.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:46 pm
by black_son_of_gray
It's become a minor trend for Silicon Valley techies now:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/ ... super-rich

Lot's of different reasons in the article, but some I feel resonate with the thinking on this forum:
The C.E.O. of another large tech company told me, “It’s still not at the point where industry insiders would turn to each other with a straight face and ask what their plans are for some apocalyptic event.” He went on, “But, having said that, I actually think it’s logically rational and appropriately conservative.” He noted the vulnerabilities exposed by the Russian cyberattack on the Democratic National Committee, and also by a large-scale hack on October 21st, which disrupted the Internet in North America and Western Europe. “Our food supply is dependent on G.P.S., logistics, and weather forecasting,” he said, “and those systems are generally dependent on the Internet, and the Internet is dependent on D.N.S.”—the system that manages domain names. “Go risk factor by risk factor by risk factor, acknowledging that there are many you don’t even know about, and you ask, ‘What’s the chance of this breaking in the next decade?’ Or invert it: ‘What’s the chance that nothing breaks in fifty years?’ ”

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:07 pm
by Stahlmann
suggest fire extinguishers (if you don't have them already) since you'd most likely be using open flames and response times for emergency services would be longer.
Holy God, there was even better post by jacob on this, but trying to discuss that with EMF theory.

Yesterday, it was Women's Day. Good idea to splurge on gift for my mother... This about is sharing... There "won't be place" for that in the kitchen, but who would care. What ingredients are proper against home fire?

Which one are refillable with DIY (I mean these for garages)? I think in my country this controlled by some certified body.
What is important in the design?

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:36 am
by wolf
I just recently bought a book about Prepping and started to do it. So I am beginning with slowly stockpiling up my food. Usually I buy what I eat. Today I also bought medications. And I bought a good Bug-Out-Bag, which I also use for trekking and hiking. As always, I try to combine those things with ERE principlies, e.g. multiuse, system-thinking, synergy effects, good quality... Right now, I would say that I am a prepper beginner. I hope that there won't be any crisis soon. Luckily the place where I live and the situation in Germany is stable and secure. But unfortunately there was also a small tornade two years ago about 50km from where I live.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:11 am
by Farm_or
Don't get me wrong. It is good to have some self suffiency and to be prepared for a disaster. I put some energy into it myself.

Problems arise in the prepped mentality when they go too far. It becomes a prominent part of their life- planning for doom and gloom. And a crazy thing happens after awhile.

They grow anxious and depressed because something really bad hasn't happened. You would think that good economic times and peace can be enjoyed by all. Not so with peppers? They create an imaginary future where they are heroic for preparing for apocalypse. A few would even go so far as to light a match?

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:19 pm
by Riggerjack
Sure, there's crazies in every group, and I think preppers probably have more than their share, for the reasons you say.

But,
A few would even go so far as to light a match?
There is an enormous difference between willingness to burn it all down and ability to burn it all down. The urge to burn it all down seems to be the rage of the impotent.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:31 pm
by wolf
If anyone is interested in reading good quality content about Prepping here is a 52 WEEKs to PREPPING SERIES. The stuff is basically the same as in the book "The Prepper's Blueprint", which I like very much.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:52 pm
by jennypenny
I'm reading a book now that emphasizes that being prepared means more than having stuff or writing down a plan. It's really important to physically practice what you will do, whether it's escaping a burning building or using tools/equipment. She studied a lot of different disaster reports and the people who survived were the ones who could rely on muscle memory and training.

Even when you train, it can still be shocking when it's the real thing. I had extensive training as a lifeguard but nothing really prepared me for the first time I had to fish someone out of the drink.

The best training I've received was from a firearms instructor who made me shoot while he yelled and grabbed at me. He also wrestled with me until he was confident that I could hold the gun and keep him from prying it out of my hands while maintaining trigger discipline.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:21 pm
by Allagash
The great thing about moving towards a homesteading or even homesteading "lite"/urban homestead/off the grid type of life is at the same time you pursue that lifestyle, are at the same time also adding a lot of prepping skills & self sufficiency. Not from prepping, but just from how you live everyday. If you have solar, garden, food canning/drying skills, can hunt game close, root cellar, farm animals, well, firewood on land or close by, stream/pond, etc.... Just your everyday life gives you prepper skills & self-sufficiency for if SHTF. 150 years ago probably 90% of Americans were natural preppers! They all knew how to hunt, farm, garden, make things, build things.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:26 am
by Nomad
I'm a somewhat prepper, not as prepped as I should be.
I suspect a lot of ERE people are preppers as it falls into the obsessive planning mindsight that we succumb too/benefit from... ;)

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:28 pm
by Jin+Guice
My experience with preppers is they are generally preparing for a specific event. A shared assumption is that it's every man (household) for himself and there will be hordes of roving bandits that need to be protected against. They also practice a consumerist kind of prepping where stock piling a lot of stuff is emphasized but learning to run really fast is not. They are much more prepared to hunker than flee. They are long on canned food and firearms and short on social skills. However, they do usually have high "wilderness survival skills", know how to handle a gun and have a plan for the acquisition of clean water.

The preppers on this thread seem to be savvyer than my IRL prepper friends. Preparing for natural disasters that are likely in your area makes sense. The preparedness for most of these disasters (with the possible exceptions of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions) increases as they are likely experienced from time to time. Though I've never experienced a catastrophic disaster, I find when I'm worried about a situation and thus prepare heavily for it, something I didn't think of usually goes wrong. How do y'all prepare for events that you've never experienced? How do you decide which of these scenarios are likely? Shouldn't prepping also involve learning to improvise and negotiate in difficult and stressful situations, occasionally walking really far while extremely hungry and learning to pick locks on top of the usual weapons training, piles of supplies and mastering various boyscout skills?

As I was editing this post I realized it sounds pretty inflammatory and I don't mean it to be. My point is, IMO there are likely important unknown unknowns in any scenario one would prep for and the culture of preppers tends to understate this. Do the preppers here agree and, if so, how do you prepare for those?

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:01 am
by ZAFCorrection
Those are interesting questions. Historically, a significant response to apocalypse and SHTF scenarios has been migration and nomadism, post-Columbian Native Americans and the Rome-wrangling barbarians being good examples. It shouldn't be game over if you can't manage to keep the bandits out of your well-stocked, out-the-way survival bunker. Just walk, or run, away. For me personally that means keeping extra food and water on hand but also being physically and mentally prepared to just leave everything with nothing but a backpack.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:36 am
by 7Wannabe5
Well, SHTF situations vary, but my take is that it is highly unlikely that social isolation is going to winning plan. Under stress or rapid change, social ties and supply lines and boundaries, that were previously solid, will break or become more fluid. For simple instance, how you will find yourself talking to a neighbor for the first time in 3 years after a major hail storm or while the police are hauling away the guy across the street.

Under highly emergent condition, within social context, usually somebody will very rapidly attempt to take the lead. Sometimes this will be you. Sometimes not. So, knowing how to roll with either possibility would be first best survival skill, IMO.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:01 am
by classical_Liberal
I agree with the assessment of two major strategies. (1) Hunker down or (2) be mobile. The problem being, although not completely mutually exclusive, they're pretty close. It's hard to run with 1000's of lbs of food, ammo, and a fully stocked bunker. Not just physically, but psychologically. The more you have, the harder it is to leave it behind.

7WB5's ideas regarding social relationships is a sub strategy within either mindset. One can foster local relationships for hunker down, or international relationships for being mobile. Hence this is a sub-strategy which could work for either mindset. Another example being useful skill acquisition. One could be the local medical triage expert in SHTF or one can parlay that knowledge to a acquire a position in a new community far away. Any other ideas for both?

In any event, it's simple prudence to have enough resources on hand to handle shorter term emergency situations. Also prudent, IMO, to have enough portable physical wealth to bribe some boarder guards and/or establish oneself in a new location. This way one is, at least slightly, prepared for either scenario, and as a result has options 90% will not.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:12 am
by daylen
classical_Liberal wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:01 am
Any other ideas for both?
If I had over a billion dollars I would pay others to build me a world-wide-network of bunkers.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:22 am
by chenda
I've started to stockpile for Brexit, looking to gradually build up a few months worth of food and other non-durables. I don't think a major disruption to international trade is likely, but its a growing possibility if we crash out without a deal. I can see post-Christmas panic buying occurring.

Realistically though, I can only prepare for some very short term disruption. I don't have the means or facilities to prepare for anything worse than some inconvenient shortages and modest price increases. If it get worse, the only option will be to go abroad until the crisis passes.

Re: Preppers?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:02 am
by Jin+Guice
@ 7w5, this is very close to a discussion I had with another friend who is a non-prepper in the prepper friend group (they all live in AL). She is a community art organizer and her basic assertion was that she is actually more prepared because she is highly skilled in organizing people and getting things accomplished.

7w5 also brings up an interesting point about supply lines that I hadn't thought of. The prepper of AL I'm familiar with assume and plan for catastrophic failure of all systems but are all of them likely to fail simultaneously? Perhaps not.

@ZAF, I also hadn't thought of the historical perspective. Your examples support the fleeing mentality, which I'm biased towards myself. Perhaps hunkering is more of a nationalist/ hoping that the problem is solved mentality? I'm thinking of places that were bombed to shit in WWII. Perhaps it's harder to run when shit is hitting the fan in a modern world where borders are well established and closely guarded.

I don't prep at all, in the stock piling sense. I'm currently switching from buying food in bulk to a just-in-time method. Do y'all consider this a dangerous strategy? The major/ common natural risks where I live are hurricanes and flooding. I should own an axe (to chop through the roof in case of a flood), some sort of boat and a life vest but I don't.