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We are working on covering the raised beds so we can use them all winter. We're a little late getting started since it's been so warm that the tomato and pepper plants are still producing a ton of produce.

Here's a video that shows what we're attempting to do. We had some rolls of painters plastic in the garage, so we're using them instead of greenhouse plastic. Once we figure out what we're doing, we'll invest in something better if necessary.

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Our first attempt. No plastic cover until I get the seeds in this week. The PVC came in 10' lengths for $2.75 each. No cutting required.

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I have the hoops and plastic, but I don't know what can be planted at this point. Any suggestions? I also saw a video where they used incandenscent Xmas lights to warm up the hoop garden, but we don't have those. Any ideas on how to keep that warm in the winter, or at least prevent freezing?

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I'm going to try lettuce, spinach, cabbage, arugula, and peas. A local farmer told me peas work when the weather cooperates. I'm not going to heat the beds. I'm also going to cover the tomato and pepper beds to try and keep them going another month or two.

What we picked this morning. Crazy to have this much so late in the season.

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Oh yeah, and another 7 green beans. :lol:

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How often do you, intensive gardeners, deal with pests?

This summer I grew a total of 4 or 5 zucchini plants (in containers), only 1 remaining... First the powdery mildew (manageable), then cabbage loopers... I ended up having to cut the plants off and throw them away because the worms were spreading to other plants.

Anyway, next year I will likely not grow zucchini (I don't like it that much to be honest), but I will definitely try growing some butternut squash. Being from the same "squashy" family, I expect the cabbage loopers to attack again, so I'd like to know if you can give me some advice on how to deal with them.

On the other hand I'd also like to know if there is any vegetable that you consider to be less prone to pests than normal.

Thank you.

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@JP: We grew kale in an Earthbox and those little green worms were all over it. At the time, we were living in a condo a couple floors up. We picked them off by hand daily and flung them to their deaths three stories below. They like to hide, so make sure to check under the leaves of your plants and in nearby crevices.

I'm pretty new to gardening, but you might want to research companion gardening as a way to ward off pests. Recently I noticed that my basil and spinach seedlings have been getting chewed up, so I've been experimenting with neem oil.

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For the caterpillars, insect netting is the standard advice for small areas of plants. It prevents moths and butterflies from laying eggs on the plants. I haven't used it yet, but I intend to next year.

For the squash varieties, you need to open the netting in the day time to allow bees to pollinate the blossoms. Most of the caterpillars are the result of nocturnal moths (With the exception of the white cabbage butterfly, but you can keep brassicas covered all day, as they need no pollination.)

On the other hand, you could cultivate a population of paper wasps (yellowjackets, red wasps, etc). Paper wasps are voracious predators of caterpillars. In years when there are lots of yellowjackets, caterpillars are a nonproblem. This past year had very few yellowjackets, and I had to give up on most brassicas and the squash season was cut short.

Next year I intend to invest in netting and not depend on the wasp population.

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Still going ...

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I hadn't been in the garden in over a week and I think DH only picked twice during that time, but still ... it's so nice to have produce coming in this late, especially when I'm basically neglecting it. I'm focused on winter gardening now.


Does anyone have any recommendations for netting alternatives? I need it for my squash, fruits, and berries for next year, and it's expensive.

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I went with wire poultry fencing. Durable, can be reused in multiple ways. Definitely keeps rabbits & birds out of the strawberries. Due to our massive blueberry harvests, the birds have had no noticeable effect; rabbits seem to gnaw on the occasional new twig, so we finally fenced them out of the young bushes.

However, it will not stop mice or moles or voles.

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Love all of the gardens on here!!

We got started a little late, but this year my husband built me some raised irrigated garden beds inspired by Jack Spirko. I'm sad to see fruit season end, as I was enjoying picking apples, peaches, and pears off the tree daily. On the up side my garden beds are now full of turnips and squash. We've been pulling turnips daily and using the greens in all of our veggie dishes. I'm excited for next season. I'm determined to only go to the store for meats, cheeses, milk, and eggs next year. In a perfect world we'd have our own chickens, but our current township zoning doesn't allow it. Booo!

Does anyone have experience growing artichokes? I had three this year but I wasn't sure when to harvest and they have long since gone to bloom. I'm curious when the harvesting time is.

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Winter rolled in, so we had to bring in the last of the tomatoes. I guess I'm making fried green tomatoes for dinner tonight. :)

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Does anyone here have an aquaponics setup?

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We're working on a hydroponics setup. I want to start with that first.

This thread has a few interesting links ... viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3131

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@theanimal - In IL you require special permits from the state for aquaponics, mainly because the typical fish that are used are invasive to IL. Therefore some inspector needs to verify that the fish can't escape from your setup, etc. This is actually the case in most states.

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Final harvest. The swiss chard and carrots are going straight into the freezer for use in smoothies.

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Here's a review of how each plant went:

Strawberries - went great. I bought, I think, 25 little plants on the internet. They all grew to about 10 times their initial size, and sent out a bunch of runners. Also, new strawberry plants are springing up on their own - I guess from the seeds. There are even some about 6 feet away from the strawberry patch that I'll move over to the patch in the spring if they look like they're still alive. There were a small amount of strawberries this year. I expect the patch to be filled up by the end of next year, and probably a lot more strawberries than this year.

Tomatoes - I tried starting from seed, but I started them too late. I bought some plants, and got some from the seeds. I went really simple with supports for them. My brother got me some fencing to use next year that should work better and allow them to grow higher and spread out better without falling on to the ground. The plants all did well and I had a ton of tomatoes.

Bell Peppers - I bought some plants, and grew some from seed I believe. They didn't get very big (maybe 2-2.5 feet tall) but they grew a lot of peppers. I'm surprised how many peppers the little plants could grow. I got just as many peppers as tomatoes, and the tomato plants were much bigger. Definitely planting more next spring.

Carrots - Did fine. I planted them way too densely. Still got a lot of carrots. Will plant some next year, not so densely.

Spinach and lettuce - Did well. I planted it early so it grew nice and I had a lot early on. Will plant again next year. More spinach than lettuce this time.

Swiss chard - Seemed to do well. Got a lot. I'll probably plant more next year just to have a variety of greens.

Broccoli - Horrible. I planted to too densely. I grew too tall. It bolted and made very few florets. I pulled off a few but didn't eat a single one from these. I won't plant it next year.

Squash - Grew huge and fast and made squash like crazy. I had to make sure I harvested them each week or they would get too big. The plants expanded a ton and I cut them back a couple times, which basically killed them.

Cucumbers - Also grew really fast. Got quite a lot of them. I don't really care for cucumbers or squash much, but they work ok as filler for smoothies, and grow so well. So I'll plant more next year.

Cantaloup - It came up pretty slow. I didn't watch it close enough and watered too much. There were about 5 melons growing but I didn't notice them, and they got all wet and rotten on the ground. One of them, that was growing on the grass was doing well, but then got all nasty and fucked up before it finished. Total bust here but it was my fault, so I may try these again next year.

Various herbs - big failure. Basil was the only one that did well. And I don't really like basil. I mostly wanted the oregano but it didn't do so hot. There was a plant or two that was growing well at the end of the summer, but it was in/below a bunch of other plants and didn't get much size. Never harvested it. I don't know if I'll do any next year..

Flowers - did well. They grew so damn tall. I think it was partly due to how densely they were planted, but also just the type of plants. I'll pay more attention when I buy seeds next year. I also had one other patch of flowers that never really sprouted up. Not sure what happened there. It was nice having the flowers. I can see them from my bed - out through my kitchen and the back door, I see them whenever I'm entering and leaving my house, I was cutting them and putting in vases every week or two, and I had flowers to give to women.

Cabbage - I planted to too late and way too close together. None of them grew to maturity. I may do a smaller amount next year to see how well they grow when I do it right.

Beans - I had just a couple bean plants. I think they may have gotten ruined from over-watering. I watered using a sprinkler and programmable timer. The sprinkler doesn't water entirely evenly though. May need to be more careful next year.

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Winter Garden

Herb garden. Tarragon, Italian parsley, thyme, scallions, rosemary, basil. The Italian parsley was developing powdery mildew so I thinned it out. I bought the green onions at the grocery store three months ago. I cut the green parts to use as needed and they grow back like reanimated zombie onions.
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Planter Box 1. Spinach, kale, parsley, and dill. Everything was grown from seed. All is growing well except the spinach which is infested with aphids. The green netting is plastic chicken wire to keep out raccoons, feral cats, and other critters.
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Planter Box 2.
To the left are leeks which are growing very slowly. Probably not enough sun. Next, the mixed lettuce leaves are almost ready for harvest. Lacinato kale is also growing slowly. At the far right, the broccoli is holey due to cabbage loopers. They seem to like it more than the kale, so I may use broccoli as a sacrificial plant in the future.
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Experimental garlic patch. In early October I bought a couple heads of organic garlic at the grocery store, then separated them into bulbs and planted the largest ones. All of the bulbs sprouted minus one.
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Interesting video on front yard gardening. They had to fight their township because neighbors complained. :roll:

Drummondville's front yard vegetable garden (in French with subtitles)

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After a good first year of balcony gardening, now the time is coming to start again. I have left all the containers outside during the winter. Everything died, like tomatoes, basil, etc, as would be expected (I think) and I have managed to grow Winter Spinach from October to now!

However, right now I face a dilemma: should I replace the soil from the containers? It makes sense to me that it might be nutrient deficient, after a season of nurturing plants, but at the same time it sounds very wasteful...

The only problem I've had last year was with cabbage looper caterpillars (which by the way still linger around in some of the spinach leaves in one particular container). My fear is that there might be eggs in the soil waiting for the heat to hatch...

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You can reuse the soil if you sterilize it first ... http://www.urbanfarmonline.com/urban-ga ... -soil.aspx It's a tedious task, but worth it. While you're cooking the soil, wash out the pots with a mild bleach solution to kill any germs in the pots.

The soil will also need a nutrient boost. Mix in some compost and let it sit a couple of weeks before planting.

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That video of the couple with the front yard garden was neat. I think there's been talk of the subject here a few times. But I'd be curious to know if anyone here has a front yard garden?

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theanimal wrote:That video of the couple with the front yard garden was neat. I think there's been talk of the subject here a few times. But I'd be curious to know if anyone here has a front yard garden?
We do at our pre-retirement residence, but it's not for food.

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