Washers vs Wipers - where do you stand?

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bigato
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Washers vs Wipers - where do you stand?

Post by bigato » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:30 pm

Throughout the history of humanity, we have used plenty of methods to clean oneself after taking a load, including using pieces of broken ceramic to wipe it out in Roman public bathrooms, where the pieces of ceramic in question were shared. But they’d clean them in running water, don’t worry :p
There’s an episode of the “Stuff to blow your mind” podcast that goes over this.
Although the methods are many, we can divide them in two big teams, washers vs wipers. And as for current modern civilization, we settled on cutting a significant part of the threes on the planet to produce paper to wipe ourselves.

“The toilet paper we use could go around the planet every 2 minutes, or travel to the sun and back every 10 days. It would cover an area more than twice the size of France every year.” [1]

Americans are using an average of 7 billion rolls of toilet paper a year, and a typical tree provides about 1,000 rolls of toilet paper, thus 7 million trees are being cut just to wipe usa butts every year.[4]

Furthermore, a single roll of toilet paper consumes 37 gallons of water to be manufactured [2]

If you feel grossed out by the idea of cleaning yourself with water and your hand, do the following exercise: put your finger on some shit, and then wipe it out with toilet paper. Use how much toilet paper you want. Now smell it. Is it clean? [3]

As for me, I joined the washers a while ago and couldn’t be happier with the choice. Wiping now feels extremely gross when I’m somewhere where don’t have a way to wash. I postponed this change for years for the most stupid reason. I though I’d need a bidet or one of those water “guns” installed by the side of the toilet seat. Until I read about how Muslims and Hindu people do it. They just leave a cup or mug in the bathroom. With some practice, you quickly learn it. After you did number two, fill the cup with water, and seat farther ahead on the toilet than you normally do when your doing your business. With one hand, you take the cup to your back and slowly drop the water while you wash yourself with the other hand. Keep it close and lower so that water don’t spill out of place. After some training, one cup of water should be plenty. You could even do it with half a cup if sat, you are biking in the middle of nowhere and you have no idea when the next water supply is. After that, you have a clean bum and then you dry it with a towel just like you do after you take a bath. And then wash your hands with the soap. Not any different from the cleaning you do in the bath, just more convenient.

Now you just need to keep a couple of toilet paper rolls for when you get guests, but basically that line of expenses is gone as a nice side effect. Plus, you don’t contribute to so many trees being cut to maintain such a gross habit that is wiping shit instead of properly cleaning yourself. *Now* you are allowed to say that the way the romans did it was gross.

[1]http://www.theworldcounts.com/counters/ ... tal_impact
[2] https://www.brondell.com/healthy-living ... vironment/
[3]http://poopreport.com/Intellectual/Wash ... ipers.html
[4]http://www.the9billion.com/2012/02/20/h ... ng-anyway/
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Post by horsewoman » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:40 pm

Man, and here I was so proud of myself for having switched to blow my nose with fabric handkerchiefs recently! *sigh*

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Post by Seppia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:57 pm

The standard in Italy is a wipe or two, followed by a bidet.
The lack of bidet is a big source of Italian superiority complex towards some other countries (France being a primary target if our ridicule)

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Post by 7Wannabe5 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:32 pm

If you are a female minimalist, I recommend this watering can which I purchased at the Dollar Tree. It allows you to pour from the front at an appropriate distance, thereby streaming fecal matter away from urethral opening. The slim open design also allows it to serve very well as standing urinal for camping purposes. Even if you are peeing in the dark, if you can feel the spout up snug up against your bottom, you won't experience any over-spray on to your bunched at knees or ankles pants.



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Post by bigato » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:38 pm

Alternatively, by sitting farther ahead in the toilet seat when washing, you can use the toilet border under your perineum to separate things - also useful for the males.

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:03 pm

bigato wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:30 pm
They just leave a cup or mug in the bathroom.
Just be careful not to mix it up with your cup of tea. :D

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Post by bigato » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:12 pm

Well actually since it never gets in contact with anything other than the skin in your back, it wouldn’t make a difference. But yeah, it’s so easy to become the target of jokes on this that probably no blogger will ever write a post about it.

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Post by BookLoverL » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:19 pm

We've been just using toilet paper, and I don't think I can get my parents to switch to wash-only or even wash-mainly. But, I am intrigued to possibly try it myself, at least part of the time. It's really easy to clean your hands after when doing it this way, and avoid transferring trace amounts of fecal matter to, e.g., the bathroom doorknob? I feel like I might want at least one sheet of paper to wipe my hand before I wash my hand... but then again, as has been pointed out, it's not something I'd worry about if I was in the shower.

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Post by Scott 2 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:20 pm

Before I invested in a bidet, I picked up a 3 pack of perineal irrigation bottles:

https://www.amazon.com/Perineal-Lavette ... B07B9N9RQH

I wasn't sure how I'd feel about the whole experience, especially if I'd tolerate a cold water spray. The bidet is great, but the bottles are sufficient. I still travel with one. No need to use your hand.

I don't think you can have the washing experience and then happily go back to wiping alone. It's much less clean.

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Post by bigato » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:37 pm

Yeah, it doesn’t matter how many wipes you do, it’s never nowhere as clean as if you just wash it. I don’t think any water spraying would be as good as washing with your hands though, unless the spray is so strong that it throws shit all over the place. That said, nothing is less efficient than using paper to clean your butt. Not using the hand is just a cultural conditioning that you have to overcome. I mean, we all already do it when having a shower, right? I hope so. Because using anything like a sponge would be worse, just imagine pieces of fecal matter getting stuck. It only take a week or so of doing the right thing to get over the cultural conditioning of paper wiping. And then when you look back the world feels barbaric. Also, vast parts of the world already clean themselves with water and have been doing that for centuries.

I had a girlfriend that would be grossed by the idea of wiping after pooing and would always have a short shower after each time she did number two. The method above is just the more convenient version of this.

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Post by BookLoverL » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:48 pm

I think it feels less gross to me on instinct to touch that area in the shower because, well, you are in the shower, so your hands are washed quickly by the shower, whereas in this scenario we are discussing, one would be using not very much water (if using the mug method) and then have to transfer to the sink after while remembering not to touch anything else. But I think I can definitely try it at least, once I've let the idea settle in my mind for a bit. Maybe when I'm not planning to leave the house afterwards for a while the first time. ;)

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Post by bigato » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:28 pm

Actually, the ones using ceramic fragments were the Greeks; the Romans used a comunal sponge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_hygiene

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Post by anesde » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:35 pm

I do sort of a hybrid - using wet toilet paper. I bring a bottle (better yet if the bathroom has a sink) to wet clean toilet paper, then alternate with dry toilet paper to wash/wipe as necessary. Works pretty well.

Whenever I forget a bottle or otherwise don’t have a method of wetting toilet paper I’m always grossed out by just wiping with dry paper. Feels very unclean.

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Post by bigato » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:55 pm

Good idea keeping a water bottle in the bag! Thanks

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Post by jennypenny » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:31 pm

A compromise is to use both. A squirt of water* from a recycled bottle (like a french's mustard bottle with a good spout) followed by a wipe with a reusable cloth** works pretty well. Skip the wipe when it's not needed.

* I add a touch of mild baby soap
** I like cut up cloth diapers. If you're traveling, take a whole cloth diaper so you can use it, fold it over, stow it in a ziplock, and then use it again (kind of like you'd do with a handkerchief).

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Post by RealPerson » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:54 pm

I think you should seriously consider a japanese toilet seat. Probably not ERE, but it would do all of the things described above automatically, by the push of a button. For those who travel to Japan, like Seppia, they sell them at Narita Airport in the tax free shop.

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Post by Cheepnis » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:29 pm

Officially interested.

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Post by classical_Liberal » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:46 am

I've been bitching about the cost and inefficiency of TP for years, but since I rent and move often, a bidet was out. The idea of a cup bothers me for some reason. However, a squeeze bottle, with a little bit of soap in them... I think I can make that work. Great idea.

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Post by sky » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:56 am

This works well, especially while camping:

https://www.amazon.com/Tools-More-Hygie ... B013WIDXD2

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