Preppers?

What skills to learn, what tools to get
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Re: Preppers?

Post by TheWanderingScholar » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:47 pm

@Jin+Guice

Another thing to consider when hunkering down is ability to adapt to a new culture and lack of social ties in an area. Living in an area that has many neighbors you are well connected with in general, as opposed to a foreign country, where will local connections can exist, finding work in the area requires more effort as the locals will prefer to higher locals people who speak the language.

It is a main issue I have right now (Not a prepper and considering America going through SHTF scenario); the job market for GIS Specialist is highly limited and requires specialization skills which I do not have, with language being also a main barrier, which I am trying to get through.

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Re: Preppers?

Post by plow_2 » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:52 pm

https://www.naturalnews.com/040249_Bosn ... egies.html

A good article about surviving in bosnia.

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Re: Preppers?

Post by Riggerjack » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:37 pm

Though I've never experienced a catastrophic disaster, I find when I'm worried about a situation and thus prepare heavily for it, something I didn't think of usually goes wrong. How do y'all prepare for events that you've never experienced? How do you decide which of these scenarios are likely?
There are Wheaton levels to all things, prepping included. What many would call extreme prepping, others would refer to as getting ready for winter. When one gets back in the sticks, one will find that most people are comfortable with their water supply, garden, fences, and guns. People in the sticks are really only worried about the ravening hordes of city people, with no supplies or skills.

I expect a pandemic. It's just too likely to not happen. So I have an Ebola drawer. Bleach, disposable gloves, ethanol, and surgical masks. Enough to last a few months. After that, systems will be back in order, or probably won't ever be. Either way, a few more months of supplies won't make much difference. These are all things I use regularly, so I only have more stock than normal of each, and the drawer is where stock is stored.

Ego used to come here to warn us of the dangers of fear. He was concerned that people preparing would lead to a general culture of fear, and that this fearful culture would not help the weak, etc. Maybe he's right.

I will ask again, after. Strange how so few people who have been through an emergency seem worried about over preparations...

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Post by Jean » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:28 am

To me, it's more out of responsability than fear, I don't want to burden my neighbours.

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Re: Preppers?

Post by 7Wannabe5 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:24 am

@plow_2:

Good article. Supports my theory that one of the reasons nobody messes with me when I wander around the rough neighborhood where I teach is that I look like I could be the wife of one of the middle-aged male Bosnian refugee immigrants. Also confirms my theory that a half dozen breeding meat rabbits would be one of the most valuable assets to hold in SHTF situation.

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Post by ThisDinosaur » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:35 am

The Bosnia article mentioned first aid and Kerosene making as tradable skills in a civil unrest situation. I'd be interested in a longer list of similar skill examples. Preferably ones that no one else in the neighborhood is likely to have thought of beforehand. (i.e., not hunting and cooking.)

I noticed there has been very little discussion of gold here. Goldbugs often argue that its main function is to hedge this sort of catastrophe, but it seems like people will be more interested in firewood and canned tuna than shiny metal.

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Post by 7Wannabe5 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:58 am

I think gold could be very useful for trading at the boundaries of the SHTF zone. Some other useful skills might be ability to repair or hack any kind of communications network, ability to repair/construct clean water system, and Taleb wrote about constantly reading because having to hide-out from danger in his Beirut boyhood, so I guess I could be the clan-gang librarian.

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Post by TheWanderingScholar » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:07 pm

@ThisDinosaur

It really is weird when you think about it.

I just hope in a SHTF situation Urban Planners would be still useful!

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Post by Jean » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:17 pm

A medicine and a material degree might make my village a regional powerhouse when combined with farming and metalworkshops.

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Post by Bankai » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:11 pm

It looks to me like modern preppers are focusing all their attention and resources on what I see as the 4th line of defence.

The first line is living in historically stable and orderly area, under preferably capitalistic, democratic system. Ideally in a region that hasn't seen a war in 100-300 years (i.e. Canada - yes, Balkans - not so much).

The second line is being prepared to move out of the area/country at very short notice. This would include having a foreign passport, bank account and some assets abroad. as well as having the right mindset so when the time comes, one is able to make the right decision, leave all the stuff behind and move while there's still time.

The third line is community - having a large network of family, friends and neighbours where one lives. Ideally an interdependent community with complementary skills.

And only then a stockpile of ammo, food, medicins etc. (fourth line).

Obviously, in most situations, lvl4 is all you really need (i.e. a week-long power outage). But when s-really-htf (like there's a war and the enemy army is advancing towards your city and there are all those videos of war crimes on youtube), it's useless. Moving (fleeing) is your best chance.

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Re: Preppers?

Post by jacob » Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:15 pm

Most modern preppers are maybe not so modern. The idea of hunkering down with supplies was designed for and is best suited for nuclear war scenarios in which everyone hides from the radiation and then comes out after it [literally] blows over. Modern prepping (of the supplies variety) is more of a culture conflated with gun culture + various outdoorsy stuff.

The other kind of modern prepping is of the social variety. Here I'm thinking of Transition Towns and Permaculture and maybe even something like ERE. These are more of a peak oil/resource focused solution focused on long descent outcomes.

I'm not aware of anyone preparing to be a refuge. However, there are plenty of modern examples to learn from here. Works for war and climate change. Flag theory comes to mind.

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Post by Seppia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:16 am

@Bankai I agree completely.
In the last 5 years I've been focusing on the second line of defense, I think a flag theory approach works great.
If all goes according to plan in a year or two I should have bank accounts in four countries / three different continents. All except my main one have limited amounts and are 100% cash for tax purposes (holding stocks/assets abroad is a big complication for individuals who are not of very high net worth).

One downside of having lived left and right is that I lack on the third line of defense.
I have very good friends across the globe (big positive) but the network in the area where we live is limited.

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