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Conspiracy theory you deem most likely to be true

Post by fiby41 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:37 am

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Post by billc » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:44 pm

Not sure if this counts - but I think the argument in this book might be plausible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error

basically Oswald did shoot at JFK, but the fatal shot may have been made accidentally by a secret service agent after hearing Oswald fire.

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Post by SimpleLife » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:22 pm

Jacob really lives with Elvis in the woods of Aberdeen, WA and is the leader of a major biker gang known for trafficking coupons and bicycles across state lines along the pacific coast. Come on folks, the evidence is RIGHT THERE, how can you not see this... :mrgreen:

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Post by SimpleLife » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:24 pm

OK, on a more serious note, does anybody really believe that our government doesn't have some evidence of extraterrestrial life? Surely they know that we are not alone and have been visited. I want to believe...

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Post by chenda » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:00 pm

Well there have been many real conspiracies which undoubtly occurred, such as: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

As for theories, they range from highly probable but unproven all the way to self evident tosh. Often the tosh gets more popular traction, because it's serving some other purpose. Sometimes it pretty harmless ( think alien abduction) othertimes much more sinister (like the Jews stabbed us in the back)

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Post by C40 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:53 pm

I don't know, but there were a lot of conspiracies that were later proven or admitted to be true. There are some good posts on Reddit about this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... out_to_be/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comm ... eing_true/

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Post by 7Wannabe5 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:36 am

Mithra will rise once more as the wolf lopes hungry from Davos.

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Post by IlliniDave » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:58 am

I don't know that it's a conspiracy theory per se, but the whole image of the American Dream and consumption = happiness/freedom illusion is one of the more nefarious schemes out there.

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Post by mfi » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:58 am

The American Dream is just like any other dream....you have to be asleep to believe it.

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Post by Spartan_Warrior » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:10 am

^^ Yep, George Carlin said it best.

For me, it's 9/11 being a false flag inside job. No real evidence. Just fits my personal narrative and image of the American empire, and it's not like it hasn't happened before...

http://listverse.com/2014/11/10/10-insi ... n-enemies/

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Post by black_son_of_gray » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:50 am

How about mass surveillance of the public by the government (without warrants), extortion of Tcomm and Internet companies to hand over data (E.g. Yahoo), and a secret court system that approves of wiretapping 99% of the time? :roll:

In the pre-9/11 US, saying the above statement would have probably sounded like a conspiracy theory - now maybe not so much.

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Post by Chad » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:53 am

This isn't a comment about anyone on here or any specific theory.

The most ardent believers of government based conspiracy theories are almost always the most ardent supporters of the general theory of government incompetence. Either the government is fantastically competent (conspiracy theories) or it's kind of incompetent (most everyone's experience). It can't be both.

One of the favorite conspiracy theories appears to be the Bretton Woods, Bilderberg, UN "Black helicopters", FEMA camps, aka...unelected elites running the world without our permission. I love this one in novels and movies (Mr. Robot is doing this very well). In reality ,it's probably just various official agreements happening to run together with unofficial and uncoordinated actions by wealthy/powerful people based on self-interest and the current system. Not some nefarious well organized elite cabal with an overarching goal they agree upon at a handful of yearly meetings.
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Post by jacob » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:15 am

@Chad - So believers have a preference for "evil" over "incompetence" under the general (but maybe inaccurate) assumption that they are mutually exclusive.

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Post by ether » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:36 am

A Narco Proxy war between the USA and Venezuela.

The narrative is that US has cooperated with the Sinaloa cartel and allowed them to traffic dope in the USA in exchange for information on the rival cartel Los Zetas. Los Zetas allegedly receives guns, drugs, and training from the Venezuelan government in an effort to destabilize the USA and Mexico.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThcAPtAA0ec

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Post by Chad » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:48 am

@jacob
If I'm reading your comment correctly, yes. They believe in an ultra competent evil conspiracy government/cabal (it would have to be to be able to pull off these conspiracies) and in an incompetent normal government (good guys can't identify talent I guess). That is, they use the "government is incompetent" to argue against any government program and then turn around and tell me that UN black helicopters under Obama's orders flew over the other night. These can't be exclusive. There would have to be incompetence and competence in every aspect of the government, it couldn't just be the "evil" side that is competent.

This is based off personal conversations I have had with numerous anti-government people. This is not a blanket statement of all conspiracy theorists. Just an observation of a very specific set (rural uneducated/intelligent conservative) I have personally talked too.

PS: My previous comment was poorly worded. In hindsight, I really don't like it. Also, it appears I slightly hijacked this thread. To get it back on track I would suggest the Gulf of Tonkein false flag conspiracy theory is most likely to be true.

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Post by Chad » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:01 am

@Simplelife
Though, I really want the aliens in Area 51 to be true.

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Post by Dragline » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:59 am

Chad wrote:@jacob
If I'm reading your comment correctly, yes. They believe in an ultra competent evil conspiracy government/cabal (it would have to be to be able to pull off these conspiracies) and in an incompetent normal government (good guys can't identify talent I guess). That is, they use the "government is incompetent" to argue against any government program and then turn around and tell me that UN black helicopters under Obama's orders flew over the other night. These can't be exclusive. There would have to be incompetence and competence in every aspect of the government, it couldn't just be the "evil" side that is competent.

This is based off personal conversations I have had with numerous anti-government people. This is not a blanket statement of all conspiracy theorists. Just an observation of a very specific set (rural uneducated/intelligent conservative) I have personally talked too.

PS: My previous comment was poorly worded. In hindsight, I really don't like it. Also, it appears I slightly hijacked this thread. To get it back on track I would suggest the Gulf of Tonkein false flag conspiracy theory is most likely to be true.
I've noticed that our enemies are always portrayed in the alternative as either evil masterminds and incompetent boobs, especially terrorist groups these days, depending upon what action the speaker is urging we take next. Its the tradition of propaganda.

My "vote" is simply the idea that the US manipulates foreign governments, especially smaller countries where the US has an interest. This has proved be be both true and stupid --i.e., not in our long-term interests. See Iran in the 1950s, Afghanistan/Taliban support in the 1980s and for our old buddy, Saddam, before he went ape-shit in Kuwait. Yet we never learn.

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Post by Chad » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:44 am

Dragline wrote: My "vote" is simply the idea that the US manipulates foreign governments, especially smaller countries where the US has an interest. This has proved be be both true and stupid --i.e., not in our long-term interests. See Iran in the 1950s, Afghanistan/Taliban support in the 1980s and for our old buddy, Saddam, before he went ape-shit in Kuwait. Yet we never learn.
No, we don't. The current situation in the Ukraine is a prime example. We started the current mess in Ukraine. Russia is just responding to our initial move.

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Post by Scrubby » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:48 pm

Chad wrote:No, we don't. The current situation in the Ukraine is a prime example. We started the current mess in Ukraine. Russia is just responding to our initial move.
There is seldom an "initial move" in history, and certainly not in this case. Russia have been suppressing democracy in Ukraine for ages.

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Post by Chad » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:45 pm

Scrubby wrote:
Chad wrote:No, we don't. The current situation in the Ukraine is a prime example. We started the current mess in Ukraine. Russia is just responding to our initial move.
There is seldom an "initial move" in history, and certainly not in this case. Russia have been suppressing democracy in Ukraine for ages.
I understand what you are saying about initial moves, but they do exist. In this case, the situation was reset when the Soviet Union collapsed. They basically conceded the majority of the world to be under a US sphere of influence. In return, Russia wanted, actually it was non-negotiable, to retain a sphere of influence in Eastern Europe (see the link below for a good summary of how they are threatened geographically). There are rumors the US/NATO, but it's actually the US, promised not to bring NATO to Russia's borders.* Whether they did or not, it is blatantly obvious to any US/NATO intelligence agency that pulling certain Eastern European countries into NATO and Europe (Baltics and Ukraine) would directly threaten Russia.

https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/geopo ... t-struggle

If Russia or China did this with Mexico we would have gone further than Russia has gone with the loss of the Baltics and the beginning of the loss of Ukraine. Hell, we almost started a nuclear war over Cuba and we actually respected Russia's military power then.

*This has been denied by Gorbachev and NATO. Of course, this type of promise is rarely done directly. This was probably more of an implicit promise.

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Post by Scrubby » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:21 pm

Chad wrote:I understand what you are saying about initial moves, but they do exist. In this case, the situation was reset when the Soviet Union collapsed. They basically conceded the majority of the world to be under a US sphere of influence. In return, Russia wanted, actually it was non-negotiable, to retain a sphere of influence in Eastern Europe (see the link below for a good summary of how they are threatened geographically).
And it's ok that the Ukrainians don't get to have a say in this?

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Post by Chad » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:52 pm

@Scrubby
Unfortunately, the Ukrainians are probably only a small variable in the equation. I'm not suggesting it's right, it's just how it's going to play out.

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Post by black_son_of_gray » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:46 pm

Dragline wrote:My "vote" is simply the idea that the US manipulates foreign governments, especially smaller countries where the US has an interest. This has proved be be both true and stupid --i.e., not in our long-term interests. See Iran in the 1950s, Afghanistan/Taliban support in the 1980s and for our old buddy, Saddam, before he went ape-shit in Kuwait. Yet we never learn.
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Post by GandK » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:38 pm

Peeps are the result of a CIA experiment in mutation, and their parent company - Just Born Inc. - is a front for human cloning work.

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