VZ Opinions?
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Anyone invested in VZ? Anyone have opinions on the company as an investment? I bought a large number of shares near the 52 week low..and they are now sitting at the 52 week high. I'm normally more of a buy and hold guy, but I'm not sure about VZ going forward. None of my dividend growth investor brethren seem to have any interest in VZ at all. I'm thinking about cashing out after riding this iPhone wave and moving that cash into my more confident investments.
How is VZ going to sustain the dividend with EPS of $0.16? Maybe when they finally get the I-phone that'll spike, but I plan on sticking with T.
Check out this Seeking Alpha analysis of T vs. VZ (as a Dog of the Dow play):
http://seekingalpha.com/article/244305- ... qp_article
Check out this Seeking Alpha analysis of T vs. VZ (as a Dog of the Dow play):
http://seekingalpha.com/article/244305- ... qp_article
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@Maus
I'm actually not to keen on either company, or telecoms as a whole due to falling fees and high competition. The high cost of entry as a barrier and increasing use of smart phones is what initially got me interested in T and VZ, but I felt VZ was a better value in the summer of '10 and I also felt the company had more going on with the increasing FIOS businesses and shedding of landlines (Frontier). I know T is a lot more popular in the dividend growth circle and I might get into it sometime in the future. For now, you touched on the low EPS VZ currently has. If they do announce the iPhone soon (CES) it might get a nice 5-7% pop. Fundamentally I just think VZ doesn't really fit into the dividend growth strategy I employ. I'm also concerned about the dividend payment that will eventually have to head Vodafone's way unless there is a buyout/merger.
I'm actually not to keen on either company, or telecoms as a whole due to falling fees and high competition. The high cost of entry as a barrier and increasing use of smart phones is what initially got me interested in T and VZ, but I felt VZ was a better value in the summer of '10 and I also felt the company had more going on with the increasing FIOS businesses and shedding of landlines (Frontier). I know T is a lot more popular in the dividend growth circle and I might get into it sometime in the future. For now, you touched on the low EPS VZ currently has. If they do announce the iPhone soon (CES) it might get a nice 5-7% pop. Fundamentally I just think VZ doesn't really fit into the dividend growth strategy I employ. I'm also concerned about the dividend payment that will eventually have to head Vodafone's way unless there is a buyout/merger.
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To me, VZ management has shown that they can't get their act together. They show promise and then collapse, build promise again and collapse once more.
T, despite all the bad press regarding their service, at least have their finances in order and manage steady slow growth in their earnings.
T could falter, but it has a far better track record of balancing a high payout ratio than VZ does.
T, despite all the bad press regarding their service, at least have their finances in order and manage steady slow growth in their earnings.
T could falter, but it has a far better track record of balancing a high payout ratio than VZ does.
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@dragoncar "Can someone explain the 238.83 P/E ratio?"
They had some one-off expenses for Unions, health care, etc. The 12-month forward P/E is around 16-17.
I'm not sure I would buy VZ at this valuation. I jumped in when I noticed it was trading at a 52-week low ($26) and I knew it was a solid company with excellent prospects re: iPhone and Android.
T is ok, but I would wait to see if it plunges when the VZ iPhone starts selling. Obviously the VZ iPhone is already priced into T, but inst. will be keeping a close eye on the migration once VZ starts selling.
They had some one-off expenses for Unions, health care, etc. The 12-month forward P/E is around 16-17.
I'm not sure I would buy VZ at this valuation. I jumped in when I noticed it was trading at a 52-week low ($26) and I knew it was a solid company with excellent prospects re: iPhone and Android.
T is ok, but I would wait to see if it plunges when the VZ iPhone starts selling. Obviously the VZ iPhone is already priced into T, but inst. will be keeping a close eye on the migration once VZ starts selling.
@Robert Muir
Great minds think alike. I just bought 100s INTC this morning. I like the prospect of further dividend growth.
WRT telecoms, I bought T several years ago because of the dividend yield. I won't add to my position because the future of T looks moribund, but my yield on basis justifies a continued hold position.
I was thinking of buying PEP, but the huge spike today may have taken the last bit of value out of the proposition. It has become extremely difficult to find good buys without hours and hours of research.
Great minds think alike. I just bought 100s INTC this morning. I like the prospect of further dividend growth.
WRT telecoms, I bought T several years ago because of the dividend yield. I won't add to my position because the future of T looks moribund, but my yield on basis justifies a continued hold position.
I was thinking of buying PEP, but the huge spike today may have taken the last bit of value out of the proposition. It has become extremely difficult to find good buys without hours and hours of research.
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Re: INTC - Yep, I just bought some more this morning with my 2011 Roth funds. So now INTC has my permission to take off like VZ did.
A stock to look at for either a short-term play or a long-term one is Citigroup (NYSE:C). I'm actually long-term myself, but they're poised to hit $5 soon and when they do, Institutional investors may start jumping in.
A stock to look at for either a short-term play or a long-term one is Citigroup (NYSE:C). I'm actually long-term myself, but they're poised to hit $5 soon and when they do, Institutional investors may start jumping in.
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