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Seppia
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Thanks Jacob
I've been looking at BRK.B for a few weeks, but in a spectacular case of anchoring I still remember to this day when in 2014 or so I told a colleague of mine "you should load up on BRK.B at $111", yet did not buy any :lol:
This guy thanks me to this day because he doesn't know he would have made more money just buying an index but still.

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Post by Generation-X »

Buffett will be 90 this year. Something to factor in.

ertyu
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Post by ertyu »

what i think will happen: he will die. brk will fall. when it does, load up, because the next thing that will happen is the new mgt will load up on shit growth so they can ride up then cash out. ride up with them. magically intuit the moment to cash out and/or buy puts. profit.

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ertyu wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 5:16 am
what i think will happen: he will die.
Predicting that a 90 year old man in 2020 is going to die? You sure you want to go out on that limb?

I bought my first ever baby share today. Considering what happened soon after I bought Boeing, I figure Warren's got until Friday.

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Don't jinx it! I reckon there's a certain event risk which to put it morbidly is (%death of 90yo)x(%death of 95yo)). Perhaps this is what is being priced into premium over book value which is historically low. If nothing else, it's a cash-rich and cash-generating conglomerate that can practically be bought at book. Unlike the people selling out because they're not getting the growth they're looking for, I'm primarily in for the capital preservation (so appreciate the conservative comments) and personal laziness. I've been looking to get more passive over the past few years as I think I'm spending too much time on [investing] relative to how much it still holds my interest.

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If you look at the bad bets in recent years, you see what happens when a value investor is forced to buy when there is no value. Reading all the comments from other investors getting impatient with Buffett, you can see the sense of entitlement. “I deserve growth just because.” If he is not buying his shares at book it is because he expects the book value to go down. That scenario will be unfriendly to the entitled.

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Apple post Jobs. Microsoft post Gates. Corleone post Vito. You could make the case all three did better since the founders died*. Charlie Munger is 96. You have to think anyone willing to sit in an barely air-conditioned Omaha office on a hot summer day and suffer through the farts emanating out of that ancient asshole is a dedicated soldier to the cause.

When I clicked "Buy" on that one BRKB share, I honestly felt I was punching Warren's ticket to the big value store in the sky. Godspeed, Warren. Jack Bogle is waiting, his broad index arms reaching out.

Edit: Bill Gates hasn't died. But he should be worried now that I wrote that.

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Feeling ignorant... what is the attraction of BRKB over the parent? It's not hard to find a brokerage that will let you buy partial shares these days if the price of a whole share would break the bank.

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The BRK A is now $264,500.00K a share. I wasn't aware you could buy partial so that is my ignorance. The B's are around $176.00.

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Buffett has said he was criticised for buying too soon during 2008-9 maybe that's why the hesitance now.

If BRK.A can be bought partially and
BRK.A >= 1500×BRK.B always then
Who is footing the remaining 500 in Jason's example.

What's the point, for the reason the stock split in two classes exist, is to prevent formation of unit trusts

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Lemur
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Post by Lemur »

This market makes no sense but I'm almost done having all my capital tied up....its very tech heavy and I don't mind that at all. Why diversify by industry if you think one industry is gonna kill it in the next 10 years.

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Post by giskard »

Once again it's Monday and so of course I sold a bunch of weekly puts on gold stocks and miners. I got a lot or orders filled at decent prices since gold was falling today. But I've been doing this for the past month and a half and barely ever have I got assigned. So I'll just keep on riding gold and silver up with all the fed actions!

Last week I sold the last little bit of JP Morgan that I was hanging on to, and I feel good about that because it seems like there is starting to be a non-zero chance we get negative interest rates in the US.

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The Buffet operation has always intrigued me. The world isn't exactly full of conglomerates these days, which suggests it's sailing into a strong headwind. It also doesn't seem like the kind of place that has a big analytics department; at least, I work in an industry finance analytics recruits from and BRK is about the biggest beast I've never even heard anyone mention applying to. That means Buffet himself is brilliant. Or a moneylaunderer or something. Or both. Which makes it all the more strange people continue to buy given his actuarial life expectancy. The next Buffet didn't join a conglomerate as an employee and wait patiently for the main man to die; this is it.

Assuming there's more to it than age, my guess is he thinks monetary contraction is likely, and he will move to finance-acquire companies the Fed refused to bail out. He was inching up to buy the airlines, but backed off when it became clear the government was likely to bail everyone out on soft terms.

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My experiment is far more volatile than the vanilla index fund. This is expected from Siegel's paper but interesting to experience. I'm up 3% relative to the index now. The reverse was true last week. Got surprised by my cost basis changing for Abbvie upon a merger with AGN. Debating on whether to direct index the proceeds or dump them into the 2 new S&P 500 companies that both seem richly valued.

Also pondering on direct indexing international, how much, is it worth it, how many companies, which share classes to buy. Leaning towards 200- 250 developed companies as enough to cover it. Made a few changes to remove countries with know accounting fraud and add in some developed companies being counted as emerging like Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing.

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I own two bank stocks: GS and HLI, both purchased in 2019. GS is down approx. 11% and removed from the Buffet line. HLI up approx. 29%. The reason as I understand it, HLI specializes in corporate restructuring. I purchased some more anticipating a spate of activity in this area. Monetizing misfortune. Come to Papa.

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Meteor hits White House, aliens invade, Bill Paxton announces Game Over.

S&P 500 futures hit limit up in overnight trading.

ertyu
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Post by ertyu »

i mean, a meteor hitting the white house would give me hope for america's future, too

classical_Liberal
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Closed end funds. Does anyone here include any in their portfolio? I'm new to considering them and am wondering if anyone has a good link or resources with an overview. Specifically, I'm curious about market pricing and NAV's, how to determine when they are within reasonable ranges, etc. Thanks!

Chris
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classical_Liberal wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:38 pm
I'm curious about market pricing and NAV's, how to determine when they are within reasonable ranges, etc. Thanks!
Fund companies sometimes list discount/premium to NAV on their fund pages. They sometimes include historical figures as well.

Yahoo Finance will show the NAV of a CEF by using X as a prefix and suffix. It's a quick way to look for the premium/discount. For example: https://finance.yahoo.com/quotes/NUV,XNUVX

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@Chris
Thanks for the reply! What I'm really wondering though is the underlying pricing mechanisms of the premium/discounts. IOW, how to determine whether a premium is worth it, is it high or low for what I'm getting. Is it just purely momentum, or some derivation of number of outstanding shares/volume, or do outperformers continually demand a premium and if so, how to evaluate how much is too much based on a potentially competing CEF. Some of the premiums to NAV are pretty high.

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