IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

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IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by jacob » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:11 pm

FBeyer wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:41 am
Take the IPIP NEO personality test...
I'm familiar with Big5/OCEAN and this seems to be a free test project. I did find several different versions of it, so which one are you talking about? In principle, they should all produce similar results, but for the sake of comparison, could you provide a link?

I'm particularly interested in people's results because I want to directly verify that conscientiousness correlates with FIRE. We already know that ISTJ/INTJ/INTP correlates with both FIRE and conscientiousness respectively thus establishing the transitive property at least as far as correlation goes(*). But lets check the direct one ... and see if there are other ones too.

(*) If you now say latent variables, I say blablabla :lol:

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by daylen » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:10 pm

I took the short one here.. http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j5j/IPIP/

There are sub-scores for sub-traits. I found my sub-results mostly accurate, but I usually score higher overall on Openness; emotionality is weighted heavy.

EXTRAVERSION 19
..Friendliness 7
..Gregariousness 8
..Assertiveness 63
..Activity Level 49
..Excitement-Seeking 10
..Cheerfulness 46

AGREEABLENESS 3
..Trust 9
..Morality 19
..Altruism 1
..Cooperation 54
..Modesty 35
..Sympathy 6

CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 36
..Self-Efficacy 67
..Orderliness 33
..Dutifulness 1
..Achievement-Striving 26
..Self-Discipline 36
..Cautiousness 87

NEUROTICISM 1
..Anxiety 2
..Anger 1
..Depression 9
..Self-Consciousness 48
..Immoderation 6
..Vulnerability 6

OPENNESS 56
..Imagination 72
..Artistic Interests 22
..Emotionality 1
..Adventurousness 93
..Intellect 87
..Liberalism 79

I am a cautious adventurer.. and I just realized I shouldn't be in the data pool anyway given that I am far from FIRE.

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by jennypenny » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:45 pm

I've taken three different versions and I get the same scores on every one, so I don't think it matters which version you take. I'd say a high score in conscientiousness is important. A high score in most components of Openness may also be important.

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by BRUTE » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:12 pm

EXTRAVERSION 14
..Friendliness 20
..Gregariousness 8
..Assertiveness 34
..Activity Level 4
..Excitement-Seeking 84
..Cheerfulness 5

AGREEABLENESS 21
..Trust 32
..Morality 50
..Altruism 45
..Cooperation 35
..Modesty 18
..Sympathy 13

CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 36
..Self-Efficacy 52
..Orderliness 87
..Dutifulness 54
..Achievement-Striving 1
..Self-Discipline 4
..Cautiousness 56

NEUROTICISM 67
..Anxiety 55
..Anger 82
..Depression 63
..Self-Consciousness 22
..Immoderation 96
..Vulnerability 38

OPENNESS 62
..Imagination 89
..Artistic Interests 22
..Emotionality 43
..Adventurousness 48
..Intellect 70
..Liberalism 71

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by jacob » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:31 pm

I took the long one...

EXTRAVERSION 2
..Friendliness 8
..Gregariousness 1
..Assertiveness 33
..Activity Level 46
..Excitement-Seeking 9
..Cheerfulness 1

AGREEABLENESS 45
..Trust 65
..Morality 84
..Altruism 3
..Cooperation 61
..Modesty 42
..Sympathy 28

CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 96
..Self-Efficacy 98
..Orderliness 79
..Dutifulness 89
..Achievement-Striving 83
..Self-Discipline 69
..Cautiousness 98

NEUROTICISM 4
..Anxiety 26
..Anger 3
..Depression 9
..Self-Consciousness 28
..Immoderation 1
..Vulnerability 6

OPENNESS 56
..Imagination 38
..Artistic Interests 1
..Emotionality 7
..Adventurousness 95
..Intellect 91
..Liberalism 89

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by 7Wannabe5 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:37 pm

XNTP me -highly open and not highly conscientious and not FI. Luckily, I am not highly neurotic either, or I would likely feel like the fat girl at the gym. I just keep hoping some of it is going to rub off on me...

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by Jean » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:43 pm

I ditched some point from conscienciousness, and put them on luck at character creation. It worked for me, even if i had to skip on some Nice perks, it allowed me to reach fi with a s-rank time.

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by thegreatvoid » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:48 pm

EXTRAVERSION 2
..Friendliness 1
..Gregariousness 14
..Assertiveness 54
..Activity Level 49
..Excitement-Seeking 17
..Cheerfulness 1

AGREEABLENESS 25
..Trust 1
..Morality 61
..Altruism 1
..Cooperation 72
..Modesty 89
..Sympathy 73


DOMAIN/Facet Score
CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 16
..Self-Efficacy 1
..Orderliness 7
..Dutifulness 54
..Achievement-Striving 91
..Self-Discipline 4
..Cautiousness 64

NEUROTICISM 99
..Anxiety 88
..Anger 93
..Depression 79
..Self-Consciousness 75
..Immoderation 99
..Vulnerability 99


DOMAIN/Facet Score
OPENNESS 34
..Imagination 28
..Artistic Interests 8
..Emotionality 43
..Adventurousness 48
..Intellect 79
..Liberalism 43

Artistic interests can´t be right. Alturism: I have actually donated money to charitites every year from age 8-21 .

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by jacob » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:05 pm

I'm also wondering about that artsy/poetry angle of the test. I suspect it's a case of failure to detect, so a type 2 error.

Once upon a time, a group of scientists that included me went to a conference that left a free afternoon for visiting The Mall, a row of free museums in Washington DC. The rest of the group practically had to pry me away from the National Air and Space Museum after spending three hours looking at the fine lines of various flying engines. Then we went across the street to the National Gallery of Art in which I lasted about 15 minutes before I escaped and spent the next two hours browsing the sanctuary of a nearby bookstore while the rest of them finished up.

This leaves the question ... is the test strictly asking for one's appreciation of dadaism, romanticism ... or does it leave room for appreciating the lines of a Spitfire or the Saturn V rocket?

Same with poetry ... I don't get poetry and I think most poetry is an exercise in obfuscation, like some secret code language that I never bothered to learn... but I do appreciate beautiful code, which I can read. Where does that leave me?

This, in a nutshell, is why internet/computer tests are somewhat dubious if you, as the test-taker, don't know the intention of the test-maker.

Add: Other thing is that this test gives you the percentile of your age, gender, and country association. This is useful because now you know if you're an outlier or whether you're just like everybody else. I dunno if those numbers are contingent on the entire population or the sample population of those who search for and take OCEAN tests on the interwebs.

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by thegreatvoid » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:23 pm

@jacob cape canaveral bored me to death, but I have spent hours staring at a russian avant- garde exhibition at the Albertina . :geek:

Never meet anybody , who actually likes poetry.

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by prognastat » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:25 pm

EXTRAVERSION 2
..Friendliness 1
..Gregariousness 1
..Assertiveness 20
..Activity Level 29
..Excitement-Seeking 64
..Cheerfulness 11

AGREEABLENESS 1
..Trust 13
..Morality 22
..Altruism 1
..Cooperation 36
..Modesty 57
..Sympathy 1

CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 26
..Self-Efficacy 64
..Orderliness 23
..Dutifulness 22
..Achievement-Striving 1
..Self-Discipline 24
..Cautiousness 80

NEUROTICISM 3
..Anxiety 1
..Anger 5
..Depression 17
..Self-Consciousness 32
..Immoderation 10
..Vulnerability 4

OPENNESS 70
..Imagination 96
..Artistic Interests 48
..Emotionality 1
..Adventurousness 56
..Intellect 91
..Liberalism 92

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by black_son_of_gray » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:29 pm

EXTRAVERSION 3
..Friendliness 20
..Gregariousness 14
..Assertiveness 10
..Activity Level 10
..Excitement-Seeking 1
..Cheerfulness 27

AGREEABLENESS 65
..Trust 42
..Morality 81
..Altruism 22
..Cooperation 87
..Modesty 65
..Sympathy 52

CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 77
..Self-Efficacy 80
..Orderliness 25
..Dutifulness 95
..Achievement-Striving 66
..Self-Discipline 47
..Cautiousness 96

NEUROTICISM 52
..Anxiety 64
..Anger 43
..Depression 46
..Self-Consciousness 75
..Immoderation 6
..Vulnerability 77

OPENNESS 51
..Imagination 50
..Artistic Interests 69 (I actually like poetry)
..Emotionality 13
..Adventurousness 38
..Intellect 70
..Liberalism 62

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by prognastat » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:50 pm

jacob wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:05 pm
This, in a nutshell, is why internet/computer tests are somewhat dubious if you, as the test-taker, don't know the intention of the test-maker.
This always gets me as at times I really want to ask, what did you mean with this question rather than make an assumption to answer it and probably leads to some of my answers ending up in the middle rather than what it would have been if I knew exactly what was meant.

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by CS » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:50 pm

Relatively low conscientiousness, but then again, I did sacrifice ER in order to do some fun things meanwhile (semi-ER). Agree that Openness is probably important, at least for the 35% of us or so that follow the innovators...

EXTRAVERSION 1
..Friendliness 8
..Gregariousness 4
..Assertiveness 5
..Activity Level 1
..Excitement-Seeking 1
..Cheerfulness 21

AGREEABLENESS 35
..Trust 13
..Morality 76
..Altruism 3
..Cooperation 57
..Modesty 75
..Sympathy 31

CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 57
..Self-Efficacy 44
..Orderliness 37
..Dutifulness 78
..Achievement-Striving 47
..Self-Discipline 47
..Cautiousness 80

NEUROTICISM 39
..Anxiety 51
..Anger 66
..Depression 29
..Self-Consciousness 40
..Immoderation 14
..Vulnerability 58

OPENNESS 69
..Imagination 89
..Artistic Interests 48 (I, too, like poetry - at least my ex-roommate's. She was a-mazing. Funny, but will all the feels)
..Emotionality 53
..Adventurousness 55
..Intellect 31 (would be more fun with people who've put some thought into it... the whole "thinking out loud" from others drains me)
..Liberalism 83

Also, activity level of 1? :?

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by ZAFCorrection » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:07 am

EXTRAVERSION 34
..Friendliness 56
..Gregariousness 14
..Assertiveness 63
..Activity Level 38
..Excitement-Seeking 10
..Cheerfulness 57

AGREEABLENESS 28
..Trust 51
..Morality 61
..Altruism 22
..Cooperation 54
..Modesty 5
..Sympathy 31

CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 75
..Self-Efficacy 38
..Orderliness 57
..Dutifulness 78
..Achievement-Striving 84
..Self-Discipline 57
..Cautiousness 80

NEUROTICISM 17
..Anxiety 36
..Anger 27
..Depression 15
..Self-Consciousness 30
..Immoderation 28
..Vulnerability 19

OPENNESS 82
..Imagination 81
..Artistic Interests 69
..Emotionality 43
..Adventurousness 78
..Intellect 79
..Liberalism 71

Given the super low extraversion and agreeableness scores, I'm guessing they found some non-internet people to normalize off of. That, or maybe everyone here is just extra difficult.

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by FBeyer » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:40 am

@Jacob
The correlations between MBTI and the IPIP-NEO has already been established as far as I recall. I believe the Wiki page on MBTI lists the correlations based on a somewhat recent study.


My scores, just to add to the choir.

EXTRAVERSION 76
Friendliness 74
..Gregariousness 61
..Assertiveness 98
..Activity Level 75
..Excitement-Seeking 41
..Cheerfulness 53

AGREEABLENESS 13
..Trust 56
..Morality 27
..Altruism 12
..Cooperation 31
..Modesty 11
..Sympathy 11

CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 88
..Self-Efficacy 45
..Orderliness 92
..Dutifulness 51
..Achievement-Striving 93
..Self-Discipline 96
..Cautiousness 67

NEUROTICISM 23
..Anxiety 26
..Anger 97
..Depression 33
..Self-Consciousness 1
..Immoderation 1
..Vulnerability 28

OPENNESS 95
..Imagination 87
..Artistic Interests 53
..Emotionality 68
..Adventurousness 95
..Intellect 75
..Liberalism 97

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by FBeyer » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:43 am

ZAFCorrection wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:07 am
...
Given the super low extraversion and agreeableness scores, I'm guessing they found some non-internet people to normalize off of. That, or maybe everyone here is just extra difficult.
The IPIP test you're taken should be normalized against the other people living in your region of the world. Agreeableness doesn't mean hostility, it means that you are more concerned with the truth than with other people's feelings. Low agreeableness is more like getting shit done, even if it sucks for everyone.

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by wolf » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:59 am

As expected. Although I "fear" that my very high level with cautiousness could lead to aim for a very low SWR. :shock: ...but I am aware of that and therefore there is a possibility to adopt/change that.

EXTRAVERSION 1
..Friendliness 13
..Gregariousness 1
..Assertiveness 24
..Activity Level 69
..Excitement-Seeking 1
..Cheerfulness 1

AGREEABLENESS 28
..Trust 3
..Morality 59
..Altruism 1
..Cooperation 96
..Modesty 67
..Sympathy 11

CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 90
..Self-Efficacy 98
..Orderliness 23
..Dutifulness 51
..Achievement-Striving 87
..Self-Discipline 89
..Cautiousness 99

NEUROTICISM 2
..Anxiety 11
..Anger 7
..Depression 4
..Self-Consciousness 9
..Immoderation 10
..Vulnerability 6

OPENNESS 36
..Imagination 87
..Artistic Interests 1
..Emotionality 2
..Adventurousness 30
..Intellect 91
..Liberalism 68

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by Bankai » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:32 am

Hmm something went wrong... got 1's in 8 subcategories across 4 main categories... inherent issue with self-reporting? I wonder how would self-reported result compare with average of say 3 closest people (or just SO) taking the test from one's perspective?

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Re: IPIP NEO, ERE/FIRE vs conscientiousness

Post by FBeyer » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:41 am

These studies have a plethora of issues with them. Every bit of data collection does. Recency bias is a rather big one when it comes to self-assessment.
Getting people who know you to take the test for you is much better for a lot of things, except they can only report on what they see, which is also filtered.

Then you could scale up the number of people who have to take the test for you, so you create an ensemble of weak learners, but then you're really just gauging what you look like to others in the aggregate, which is not who you are on 'the inside'.

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