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Coffee does work for asthma attacks. I love/hate it. Asthma often hits me at night - so coffee and breathing (and not panicking)== stay up all night, or try to calm down without it by finding a sitting position to rest in. For some reason, lying down is the worst. Sometimes a side position helps.

The Queen's speech really does make it seem like BJ is dying.

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George the original one wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:12 pm
Oregon Health Authority as of 8:00a Sat, Apr 4
- 999 Positives
- 17926 Negatives
- 26 Deaths

Cases by County
- 19 Benton (Corvallis) - Note two are actually in Washington state, though they're residents of Benton County.
- 78 Clackamas (Oregon City)
- 4 Clatsop (Astoria)
- 3 Columbia (St. Helens)
- 1 Crook (Prineville)
- 39 Deschutes (Bend)
- 11 Douglas (Roseburg)
- 1 Grant (Canyon City)
- 2 Hood River (Hood River)
- 33 Jackson (Medford)
- 13 Josephine (Grants Pass)
- 14 Klamath (Klamath Falls)
- 24 Lane (Eugene)
- 4 Lincoln (Newport)
- 41 Linn (Albany)
- 2 Malheur (Vale)
- 188 Marion (Salem)
- 2 Morrow (Heppner)
- 209 Multnomah (Portland)
- 22 Polk (Dallas)
- 3 Tillamook (Tillamook)
- 5 Umatilla (Pendleton)
- 3 Union (La Grande)
- 1 Wallowa (Enterprise)
- 7 Wasco (The Dalles)
- 247 Washington (Hillsboro)
- 23 Yamhill (McMinnville)

Cases by Age Group
- 23 19 or younger
- 101 20-29
- 145 30-39
- 183 40-49
- 191 50-59
- 182 60- 69
- 103 70-79
- 70 80 and over
- 1 Not available

Hospitalized by Age Group
- 2 19 or younger
- 11 20-29
- 12 30-39
- 36 40-49
- 41 50-59
- 64 60- 69
- 42 70-79
- 31 80 and over
- 0 Not available

Hospitalized
- 239 Yes
- 632 No
- 128 Not provided

Sex
- 529 Female
- 462 Male
- 8 Not available

Hospital Capacity
- pending Available adult ICU beds
- pending Available adult non-ICU beds
- pending Available pediatric NICU/PICU beds
- pending Available pediatric beds
- pending Available ventilators
- pending COVID-19 admissions
- pending COVID-19 patients on ventilators
69 new cases. Added Sherman County. 8 counties still without reported infections.

Oregon Health Authority as of 8:00a Sun, Apr 5
- 1068 Positives
- 19556 Negatives
- 27 Deaths

Cases by County
- 19 Benton (Corvallis) - Note two are actually in Washington state, though they're residents of Benton County.
- 84 Clackamas (Oregon City)
- 4 Clatsop (Astoria)
- 6 Columbia (St. Helens)
- 1 Crook (Prineville)
- 39 Deschutes (Bend)
- 11 Douglas (Roseburg)
- 1 Grant (Canyon City)
- 2 Hood River (Hood River)
- 33 Jackson (Medford)
- 13 Josephine (Grants Pass)
- 15 Klamath (Klamath Falls)
- 27 Lane (Eugene)
- 4 Lincoln (Newport)
- 43 Linn (Albany)
- 2 Malheur (Vale)
- 198 Marion (Salem)
- 2 Morrow (Heppner)
- 233 Multnomah (Portland)
- 24 Polk (Dallas)
- 1 Sherman (Moro)
- 3 Tillamook (Tillamook)
- 7 Umatilla (Pendleton)
- 3 Union (La Grande)
- 1 Wallowa (Enterprise)
- 7 Wasco (The Dalles)
- 259 Washington (Hillsboro)
- 26 Yamhill (McMinnville)

Cases by Age Group
- 23 19 or younger
- 108 20-29
- 159 30-39
- 197 40-49
- 198 50-59
- 197 60- 69
- 110 70-79
- 74 80 and over
- 2 Not available

Hospitalized by Age Group
- 2 19 or younger
- 11 20-29
- 12 30-39
- 39 40-49
- 42 50-59
- 74 60- 69
- 44 70-79
- 34 80 and over
- 0 Not available

Hospitalized
- 258 Yes
- 670 No
- 140 Not provided

Sex
- 567 Female
- 494 Male
- 7 Not available

Hospital Capacity
- pending Available adult ICU beds
- pending Available adult non-ICU beds
- pending Available pediatric NICU/PICU beds
- pending Available pediatric beds
- pending Available ventilators
- pending COVID-19 admissions
- pending COVID-19 patients on ventilators

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George the original one wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:57 pm
State of Washington published count as of 11:59p, Fri 3 Apr
- 7591 Positives
- 80327 Negatives
- 310 deaths

Cases by County (County seats)
- 23 Adams (Ritzville)
- 2 Asotin (Asotin)
- 147 Benton (Prosser)
- 22 Chelan (Wenatchee)
- 7 Clallam (Port Angeles)
- 131 Clark (Vancouver)
- 1 Columbia (Dayton)
- 17 Cowlitz (Kelso)
- 10 Douglas (Waterville)
- 1 Ferry (Republic)
- 49 Franklin (Pasco)
- 74 Grant (Ephrata)
- 3 Grays Harbor (Montesano)
- 121 Island (Coupeville)
- 20 Jefferson (Port Townsend)
- 2865 King (Seattle)
- 95 Kitsap (Port Orchard)
- 9 Kittitas (Ellensburg)
- 8 Klickatat (Goldendale)
- 12 Lewis (Chehalis)
- 1 Lincoln (Davenport)
- 12 Mason (Shelton)
- 7 Okanogan (Okanogan)
- 1 Pend Oreille (Newport)
- 493 Pierce (Tacoma)
- 7 San Juan (Friday Harbor)
- 158 Skagit (Mount Vernon)
- 1 Skamania (Stevenson)
- 1398 Snohomish (Everett)
- 188 Spokane (Spokane)
- 5 Stevens (Colville)
- 57 Thurston (Olympia)
- 1 Wahkiakum (Cathlamet)
- 9 Walla Walla (Walla Walla)
- 129 Whatcom (Bellingham)
- 10 Whitman (Colfax)
- 281 Yakima (Yakima)
- 1216 Unassigned (labs are having trouble keeping up and Dept of Health is working to determine the proper county)

Cases by Age
- 2% 0-19
- 27% 20-39
- 34% 40-59
- 26% 60-79
- 10% 80+
- 1% Unknown

Deaths by Age
- 0% 0-19
- 1% 20-39
- 7% 40-59
- 38% 60-79
- 55% 80+
- 0% Unknown


Cases by Sex at Birth
- 50% Female
- 44% Male
- 6% Unknown
393 new cases.

State of Washington published count as of 11:59p, Sat 4 Apr
- 7984 Positives
- 83391 Negatives
- 338 deaths

Cases by County (County seats)
- 26 Adams (Ritzville)
- 3 Asotin (Asotin)
- 166 Benton (Prosser)
- 28 Chelan (Wenatchee)
- 8 Clallam (Port Angeles)
- 145 Clark (Vancouver)
- 1 Columbia (Dayton)
- 17 Cowlitz (Kelso)
- 10 Douglas (Waterville)
- 1 Ferry (Republic)
- 59 Franklin (Pasco)
- 82 Grant (Ephrata)
- 6 Grays Harbor (Montesano)
- 132 Island (Coupeville)
- 22 Jefferson (Port Townsend)
- 3158 King (Seattle)
- 102 Kitsap (Port Orchard)
- 11 Kittitas (Ellensburg)
- 8 Klickatat (Goldendale)
- 16 Lewis (Chehalis)
- 1 Lincoln (Davenport)
- 14 Mason (Shelton)
- 9 Okanogan (Okanogan)
- 1 Pend Oreille (Newport)
- 536 Pierce (Tacoma)
- 9 San Juan (Friday Harbor)
- 159 Skagit (Mount Vernon)
- 1 Skamania (Stevenson)
- 1486 Snohomish (Everett)
- 199 Spokane (Spokane)
- 5 Stevens (Colville)
- 62 Thurston (Olympia)
- 2 Wahkiakum (Cathlamet)
- 12 Walla Walla (Walla Walla)
- 142 Whatcom (Bellingham)
- 11 Whitman (Colfax)
- 316 Yakima (Yakima)
- 1018 Unassigned (labs are having trouble keeping up and Dept of Health is working to determine the proper county)

Cases by Age
- 2% 0-19
- 27% 20-39
- 34% 40-59
- 26% 60-79
- 10% 80+
- 1% Unknown

Deaths by Age
- 0% 0-19
- 1% 20-39
- 7% 40-59
- 38% 60-79
- 55% 80+
- 0% Unknown


Cases by Sex at Birth
- 50% Female
- 44% Male
- 6% Unknown

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In the Radical Immune System Hacks thread I mentioned a study that found that some live vaccines have off-target effects. Turns out that countries with required TB vaccination have lower rates of serious Covid-19 cases.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/heal ... ccine.html
Like other vaccines, B.C.G. has a specific target: TB. But evidence accumulating over the past decade suggests the vaccine also has so-called off-target effects, reducing viral illnesses, respiratory infections and sepsis, and appears to bolster the body’s immune system.

The idea is an offshoot of the “hygiene hypothesis,” which suggests that the modern emphasis on cleanliness has deprived children of exposure to germs. The lack of “training” has resulted in weakened immune systems, less able to resist disease.
Also, it is possible that a covid-specific vaccine will not be very effective. In other words, not a panacea. Since this is an entirely new vaccine and everyone will be getting it at once, they will be balancing safety with effectiveness so they will probably err on the side of safety. So we ought not count on it being totally effective.

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@Ego - that is interesting stuff.

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another potential factor: Italy, Spain, Europe, and the US are wheat people. China, South Korea, HK are rice people. Has anyone encountered any actual scientific reason why this might play are role? I have none so far, I'm just noticing coincidences, but would be interesting.

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Interesting. The argument that 'we should do what everyone else is doing' is something I expected to see since governments are incentified to 'play it safe' to keep power. I wonder how many of the '2,300 scientists' who signed the letter to the government have relevant qualifications - when there was a similar appeal in the UK a while back, only 3 out of >200 scientists signing it had anything to do with epidemiology or public health. Also worth noting that there's no pressure from the public to change the course and the government actually gained quite significantly in opinion polls since February.

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CS wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:44 pm
Coffee does work for asthma attacks. I love/hate it. Asthma often hits me at night - so coffee and breathing (and not panicking)== stay up all night, or try to calm down without it by finding a sitting position to rest in. For some reason, lying down is the worst. Sometimes a side position helps.

The Queen's speech really does make it seem like BJ is dying.
That's the main symptom of my asthma insofar as it has persisted into adulthood (happens at night). My prior MD said it was a "syndrome" and she gave me singulair to take before bed which has worked really well for me for almost 20 years. Anti-inflammatory nutrients like EFAs, gamma-tocopherol, ginger, and tumeric work noticeably (but anecdotally) as preventatives as well, along with relatively low-carb eating. Enough that I really only need to be diligent about the singulair during the peak allergy seasons.

Coffee helps after symptoms appear, as does just about any stimulant. But as you note those aren't great options for evening preventatives.

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My state issued a shelter-in-place order Friday, so now I carry my "papers" in the car that identify me as part of "critical infrastructure". I'm dubious that is strictly true, but it should allow me passage to/from my workplace should they decide to enforce it. Doesn't seem like they are so far, nor are people behaving any differently as far as I can tell.

I ran by my local walmart and picked up four bandannas yesterday morning. Almost no one there was following CDC guidance re respiratory port covering. On the way home I did my weekly food shopping at the local slightly upscale grocer (walmart grocery < my grocery << whole paycheck). Probably 3/4 of the customers there were following the guidance. I was part of the 25%--the bandanna rack was pretty picked over at walmart and I didn't want to wrap one of them around my face until I washed them.

Folks up in Illinois seem to be doing fairly well. My dad is doing a good job with the shelter-in-place. My sister has a compromised immune system so my brother-in-law is doing all their shopping and he usually picks up a few things for my dad.

Haven't heard more about my boss's daughter. I spoke to her yesterday when she called to say my "papers" had been emailed to me. I forgot to ask, but that she didn't say anything wells me either the results aren't back, that they were negative, and or her daughter is doing better.

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Should we expose ourselves deliberately to COVID-19?

Presans Debate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFnP5TK61aI

Economist Robin Hanson says yes: according to him, voluntary exposure would be a cost-effective measure that should be added to our anti-COVID-10 toolbox. On April 2, 2020 he debated this proposition with Gregory Cochran, co-author of The 10,000 Year Explosion: how civilization accelerated human evolution. This exceptional debate between two excellent and impertinent thinkers was open to all and was hosted live by Presans, the leading European science and technology consulting platform.

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In france, they are using helicopter to fine hikers. They also fine van dwellers that have no fixed address. I don't understand the rational behind this. You won't infect anyone in the mountain, unless you're dumb enough to go to a hotspot. I'm getting concerned about those restriction on liberty, and the pandemic being used to switch to a totalitarian state.

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I am seeing more articles talk about or at least mention Viral Load. I think it needs to be looked into more then it is.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/opin ... 8z14VTCGB0

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@IlliniDave
Thanks for the tip on singulair. I've been given some inhaled steroid mixtures but try to take as little as possible. I like my current height and have no interest in shrinking just yet! :lol:

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John Yewdell from NIH was on the TWiV podcast discussing the basic immunology of Covid-19. Highly recommended. In it he spends a good bit of time discussing the innate and adaptive immune response and the importance of the microbiome in calibrating those responses.

It may be a good time to think about building healthy gut bacteria and, if possible, avoiding those things that inhibit it.

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Further to Ego's point on BCG vaccination: More ‘striking’ evidence BCG vaccine might protect against Covid-19
Study shows countries with vaccination programmes have far fewer cases.

Compare Spain and Portugal numbers of positives and deaths from Covid 19.
Portugal vaccinates using BCG... Spain does not.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/scienc ... 931591.cms

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"US virologist Robert Gallo of the Institute of Human Virology in Maryland has confirmed he is working with a team who will make an announcement shortly that will have “a major effect” on global efforts to tackle Covid-19.
Best known for his role in the discovery of HIV as the infectious agent responsible for AIDS, Prof Gallo did not go into detail other than to indicate it involves deployment of “an adjusted existing vaccine” that will be available within months."

Could this be about the BCG vaccine??

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Ego wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:28 am
John Yewdell from NIH was on the TWiV podcast discussing the basic immunology of Covid-19. Highly recommended. In it he spends a good bit of time discussing the innate and adaptive immune response and the importance of the microbiome in calibrating those responses.

It may be a good time to think about building healthy gut bacteria and, if possible, avoiding those things that inhibit it.
This mentioned a certain gut bacteria prevalant coronavirus cases in Wuhan:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _both_Chin

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Just got the news that my boss's daughter did test positive for c-19. So now I can say I know someone who knows someone who caught the virus. I'm a little worried about my boss now, she's got several co-morbidity factors working against her. Sigh.

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The viral load at first exposure is probably a very small piece of the pie. The patient's stress level, hydration level, and healthy gut/skin flora will have a lot to do with how they react.
Some people will get small amounts of exposure and get "sensitized" which means that once their viral exposure is high enough to actually cause an infection, they will have a very severe and deadly immune response.
Others will get small amounts of exposure and either get a mild infection and build immunity or not get infected and build immunity.
We just don't know who will behave how. In fact, we don't know that about most disease. Which is a huge shortcoming of medicine. We've been a bit too preoccupied torturing rats in a lab which has little to do with how the human body responds to real-world health insults.
Doctors are also having a hard time to manage patients who are presenting with what looks like ARDS but isn't real ARDS. We've spent too much time trying to standardize medicine and create workflows instead of focusing on the art of medicine.

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Boris Johnson is in ICU now.

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