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TheWanderingScholar
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Re: COVID-19

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Ego wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:22 pm
Three wild ideas.

1. Infect the young. Pay them to get infected and recover to begin herd immunity.
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2020/03/e ... young.html

I offer myself as tribute if I get paid enough.

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Bankai
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Ego wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:22 pm
1. Infect the young. Pay them to get infected and recover to begin herd immunity.
There would be plenty who'd go for it. After all, it's only 1/500 to die, right...?

Either Warren or Charlie said something along the lines of 'never risk what you can't afford to loose to gain something you don't need'.

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Peanut wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:15 am
She should stand firm and dare them to fire her, which they won't.
She isn't going in. It's pretty funny. She has worked there for 20 years and never takes sickies or works from home.

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I wonder if it makes sense to create a separate topic with links to COVID-19 resources? This topic is already 59 pages long and will hit 10,000 posts by late summer so navigating will be impossible.

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Ego wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:00 am
Important Note: This is not a study. It is a hypothesis. Buyer beware.
Some real science on this:
http://www.nephjc.com/news/covidace2
Theoretically, and in some studies, the ACEi or ARBs could be beneficial as well. Please don't stop taking your medication just yet.
From the science, it’s not just that we don’t if know ACEis or ARBs (looked at seperately) increase the risk of COVID19, or the severity, we don’t even know whether these drugs might be beneficial. To reiterate:

We don’t know if there is an association between ACEi/ARB and COVID19

If there is one, we don’t know the direction of association (beneficial or harmful)

We don’t know the magnitude of any possible association
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theanimal wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:09 am
@C_L- Curious where you see 41k on that site? The total tests given is showing ~27k on my end. Either way, happy things are trending upwards.
Not sure why we are seeing different numbers.
https://www.politico.com//interactives/ ... new-cases/
Now up to 54,000 tests. At this rate, we should at least get a handle on how widespread it is at this time.

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classical_Liberal wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:51 pm
Some real science on this:
http://www.nephjc.com/news/covidace2
Theoretically, and in some studies, the ACEi or ARBs could be beneficial as well. Please don't stop taking your medication just yet.
Yes, you may have missed it but I included that same study at the bottom of that post.
Ego wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:00 am
ETA2: No simple answers: http://www.nephjc.com/news/covidace2

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George the original one wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:11 pm
State of Washington published count as of 3:45p Mon, 16 Mar
- 904 Positives
- 9451 Negatives
- 48 deaths

Cases by County (County seats)
- 4 Clark (Vancouver)
- 1 Columbia (Dayton)
- 3 Grant (Ephrata)
- 1 Grays Harbor (Montesano)
- 7 Island (Coupeville)
- 3 Jefferson (Port Townsend)
- 488 King (Seattle)
- 7 Kitsap (Port Orchard)
- 3 Kittitas (Ellensburg)
- 1 Lewis (Chehalis)
- 1 Lincoln (Davenport)
- 38 Pierce (Tacoma)
- 7 Skagit (Mount Vernon)
- 200 Snohomish (Everett)
- 3 Spokane (Spokane)
- 4 Thurston (Olympia)
- 3 Whatcom (Bellingham)
- 4 Yakima (Yakima)
- 126 Unassigned (labs are having trouble keeping up and Dept of Health is working to determine the proper county)

Cases by Age
- 2% 0-19
- 7% 0-29
- 12% 30-39
- 13% 40-49
- 16% 50-59
- 15% 60-69
- 17% 70-79
- 18% 80+

Cases by Sex at Birth
- 53% Female
- 43% Male
- 4% Unknown
Added Klickatat County.

State of Washington published count as of 3:15p Tue, 17 Mar
- 1012 Positives
- 13117 Negatives
- 52 deaths

Cases by County (County seats)
- 4 Clark (Vancouver)
- 1 Columbia (Dayton)
- 7 Grant (Ephrata)
- 1 Grays Harbor (Montesano)
- 14 Island (Coupeville)
- 3 Jefferson (Port Townsend)
- 569 King (Seattle)
- 7 Kitsap (Port Orchard)
- 3 Kittitas (Ellensburg)
- 1 Klickatat (Goldendale)
- 1 Lewis (Chehalis)
- 1 Lincoln (Davenport)
- 45 Pierce (Tacoma)
- 9 Skagit (Mount Vernon)
- 254 Snohomish (Everett)
- 4 Spokane (Spokane)
- 5 Thurston (Olympia)
- 6 Whatcom (Bellingham)
- 5 Yakima (Yakima)
- 70 Unassigned (labs are having trouble keeping up and Dept of Health is working to determine the proper county)

Cases by Age
- 2% 0-19
- 7% 0-29
- 12% 30-39
- 14% 40-49
- 16% 50-59
- 15% 60-69
- 17% 70-79
- 17% 80+

Cases by Sex at Birth
- 51% Female
- 46% Male
- 3% Unknown

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George the original one wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:52 pm
Oregon Health Authority as of 10a Mon, Mar 16
- 47 Positives
- 689 Negatives
- 1 Death
- 184 Pending
- 352 Currently Monitoring
- 381 Completed Monitoring or no risk

Cases by County
- 2 Benton (Corvallis)
- 2 Clackamas (Oregon City)
- 6 Deschutes (Bend)
- 1 Douglas (Roseburg)
- 2 Jackson (Medford)
- 1 Klamath (Klamath Falls)
- 10 Linn (Albany)
- 3 Marion (Salem)
- 2 Multnomah (Portland)
- 1 Polk (Dallas)
- 2 Umatilla (Pendleton)
- 14 Washington (Hillsboro)
- 1 Yamhill (McMinnville)

Cases by Age Group
- 1 17 or younger
- 3 18-24
- 1 25-34
- 13 35-54
- 29 55+
18 new cases, first big jump primarily from 7 new cases in Washington County and 5 in the Veterans home in Albany. Unlike Washington state currently, the infected people are predominately elderly.
Edit: Evening news says first Lane County case has appeared, but the count is still 65 cases.

With no explanation, Oregon quits reporting the number of people being monitored and that have cleared monitoring.

Oregon Health Authority as of 9a Tue, Mar 17
- 65 Positives
- 968 Negatives
- 1 Death
- 215 Pending

Cases by County
- 2 Benton (Corvallis) - Note these are actually in Washington state, though they're residents of Benton County.
- 6 Clackamas (Oregon City)
- 6 Deschutes (Bend)
- 1 Douglas (Roseburg)
- 2 Jackson (Medford)
- 1 Klamath (Klamath Falls)
- 15 Linn (Albany)
- 4 Marion (Salem)
- 3 Multnomah (Portland)
- 1 Polk (Dallas)
- 2 Umatilla (Pendleton)
- 21 Washington (Hillsboro)
- 1 Yamhill (McMinnville)

Cases by Age Group
- 3 17 or younger
- 4 18-24
- 1 25-34
- 15 35-54
- 42 55+

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Here in Vietnam they have pretty much closed the borders to all foreigners for one month, starting today. Nearly all of if Vietnam's recent cases have been from people coming in on flights from Europe and the middle east. They seem to do a great job of tracking down others on the flight, and preventing local community spread by those who entered with Covid. But they were starting to get 2-3 new cases every day from those flights coming in. So they've shut that off to buy time.

It's tricky now for me and other foreigners whose visas or entry periods expire soon. Mine expires within 30 days, so I can't go to the border by land as planned and get a new re-entry stamp (which would be good for 3 months). As of today, I can only get a 1-month extension in place. It's more expensive than usual, but I think I will do that. I'd rather buy some time before going back to the U.S. My options seem to be:

- Extend one month here in Vietnam. Then see if I can get a new entry stamp at border... or extend more..
- Either right now or near the end of my +1 month (~very early May) come back to the U.S.
- Find some other country to go to and wait things out for a while. (I have a plane ticket to Malaysia for April 5, but that's not looking like an option)


Malaysia is taking pretty drastic measures, starting today. (most businesses closed. No foreigners can enter. Malaysians cannot go 'overseas'.). This is currently set up for March 18-31. Could totally be extended.

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The travel restrictions are happening in Australia as well. Schools are still on.

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One nurse here in Brazil told me that the cases in the hospitals are already many more than it is showing in the numbers. He is quarantined himself as of yesterday because he got covid19 in the hospital. He estimates that the Brazilian health system will collapse in two weeks, which means abou end of March/beginning of April.

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Suddenly there are 20 cases recorded in NZ. Its shot up quickly in the last couple of days.

The government has called back all NZ travellers so I suspect we are about to shut the borders.

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bigato wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:10 am
snip
I hope you stay safe.

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This is fairly amazing, and a confirmation of what I was saying pages and pages ago: since politicians handle (or are supposed to handle) these crisis situations, politics matter.

https://twitter.com/kfile/status/124013 ... 23842?s=21

How much damage has been done in the span of time between the initial stance and the complete 180?

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Girlfriend have been sick for the last week (cough, fever, breathing pain for a few days). It seems to be getting better, but one night was scary. It doesn't look dangerous anymore, but she still can't do much. Trying not to catch it is worth the effort.

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https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opin ... ov-2-67281

Monkeys develop immunity, there's hope for mankind

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Interesting Marist poll, asking a lot of good questions around coronavirus (Do people trust the news, the president, local officials? How have they changed their behavior?). LA Times noted that 18% of those polled have experienced layoffs or had hours cut due to the crisis.

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Community spread in my city. Things are starting to get locked down. Most businesses are closed and a lot of people are working from home. I've noticed in uptick in walkers, runners, and general activity in my neighborhood in the day. Much less plane noise and car traffic as well. I've been gradually pulling back my activities out and about and now am completely social distancing.

I worry that these measures won't last long, as the bills rack up for workers across the country. How long will we go before people just are broke? It's a tough balancing act but right now slowing this spread is paramount.

The attitude the hospital is taking worries me. They still allow visitors, and have a couple *ahem*..problems:

1. Masks are given out if you are lucky. You have to reuse them.
2. Doctors don't want to give tests, even though people present all the symptoms of COVID-19. Something is going on where administration is burying their head in the sand and are hush-hush. Luckily they are cancelling all elective surgeries for the next two months.

I have a barbell, rower, and kettlebells in the basement now. Going to keep up the exercise routine and beef up my conditioning. It will be good to keep my routine. Going to do a bit of running with the dog too. He will be happy.

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@Seppia

"This is fairly amazing, and a confirmation of what I was saying pages and pages ago: since politicians handle (or are supposed to handle) these crisis situations, politics matter. "

https://twitter.com/kfile/status/124013 ... 23842?s=21


Anybody that gets all of their viewpoints from Fox News pundits is woefully under informed. Or MSNBC, CNN, etc, etc. You get my point.


The United States government is taking steps to mitigate this pandemic, as well as individual states. We can argue it could have been done sooner or more extensively, but unfortunately we as a planet don't know exactly yet the best measures to take until we get more data on how this virus responds. Somebody will be wrong on their approach but their contribution will be noted and validated in fighting this virus. Different countries are taking different measures and it will be interesting to see who has and had the most correct approach.

This kind of reminds me of the early days of HIV to be honest. There was no internet back then to hyper-intensify every aspect but I remember clearly it was a pretty scary time with all of the unknowns. It would be an interesting study to compare the reactions and falsehoods that were later debunked in regards to that outbreak to the coronavirus.

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My rural hospital is taking this increasingly more seriously. Visitors for most people (exceptions include birth partners, people picking up folks from surgeries) are not allowed. Temperature checks are required and cancelling most elective surgeries is likely to happen this week.

One new reality for hospitals is that blood donation drives are getting cancelled. This is really serious and scary as a healthcare worker. We are having conversations with clinicians about how to reduce blood transfusions. Once our current stock of blood starts to expire (April 8th at the earliest), I don't know if we will be getting restocked. But women are still pregnant and birth is still a dangerous time for losing large volumes of blood. GI bleeds will still happen to people and other serious situations that commonly require either emergency blood or large volumes of blood to prevent death are still bound to happen. I plan on donating blood if there is still a drive soon. DH is also, and he is O negative which is always a critical blood type. I'm not telling anyone else to donate, but just sharing this behind the scenes reality for us in the hospital.

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